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GOD IS NO ARGUMENT AGAINST MURDER

Zodiac killer: "I like killing people because it is so much fun it is more fun than killing wild game in the forrest because man is the most dangeroue anamal of all to kill something gives me the most thrilling experence it is even better than getting your rocks off with a girl the best part of it is thae when I die I will be reborn in paradice and thei have killed will become my slaves" [sic]. 

God and spiritual belief are not necessarily able to convince anybody that murder is wrong.  The fact that God and spirituality are stressed as being of vital importance is fanatical in itself when they are no good.  Many killers have testified as to how they got strength to kill from their faith.  That testimony has to be heeded and not dismissed. What if they are right or telling the truth?  Why would they lie about that?  History has shown how Moses and Jesus failed to condemn religious murders and they went as far as to command them.

From Mark 7 where Jesus mentions Moses murderous laws that God gave him:

5 The Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”

6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’

11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)—

12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother.

13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

He is clear that it is a serious sin to disobey God's murdering commands.  The subject is about punitive religious laws.  He is very hostile towards them over it.

The argument that if there is a God then killing is wrong is odd. Murder means unlawful killing but belief in God or God do not imply that taking human life is really murder. It is murder if there is no God.
 
The argument against murder is that since persons ought to be made happy they must be more valuable than anything else for happiness cannot be more valuable than life when you have to have life to be happy. Belief in God implies that this is wrong. If you believe in God then God is the only thing that matters so the only thing that is wrong is whatever he forbids. So we are not to condemn murder because of the argument but because we think God forbids murder!
 
So the reason that proves that murder is wrong has to be done away with or forgotten. In its place you use a belief not a proof namely the existence of God. You would feel better about yourself if you believed murder was wrong because of the argument of the value of life rather than because God forbids murder. God then weakens the case against murder. Anything or anyone who does that is evil. If God wants you to believe in him then you have to agree that he can’t object then if you want to commit murder especially if it is for him.
 
So God implies the argument against murder because of the value of life is wrong. In other words, God is implying that human life does not matter even if he wants it preserved for all that matters is not life but what he wants to be done with it. God makes you a murderer in your heart.
 
If the argument is wrong then we are wrong to think that” persons are more important than happiness for persons should be happy”. The argument being wrong would mean that persons should not be happy. If persons are not valuable then persons should not be happy. Let me explain that again. The argument for human life being so precious is based on the view that happiness is good. If the argument is wrong then happiness is sinful. God disapproves of it.
 
Even the worst sinner should be happy for the worst sinner has a right to live. God then being all-powerful has no right not to give people a longer life-span and better health assuming there is some reason he cannot make it all perfect. To praise the ways of the Lord is to praise the evil he lets happen. It defies the principle that all should be happy. We have to hurt people out of necessity – for example, when we jail criminals – for we are not all-powerful but God has no excuse. To praise God is to praise a murderer and to soften your heart towards committing this crime.
 
If there is a God or an afterlife the argument that murder is wrong because of the value of life cannot be right. If God exists and he is good then killing is right for it is his responsibility if we kill. He empowers us to kill. Even if you say God cannot take away the strength in our arm every time we are about to stab someone, you end up saying that human life isn’t very important. It isn’t as important as keeping the strength in our arms. That is unfeeling.
 
Murder cannot be bad if we live on. If altruism, is the true ethical philosophy (that we should do good ensuring that there is nothing at all in it for ourselves), then we are not supposed to do anything for a reward. So it is best for us if we never get one because it makes no sense to say that you should not will what you should get. From this it follows that far from wishing people would live a long time we must wish they would die quicker and lose all they have worked for. If God loves the sinner but hates the sin like religion falsely claims then why does he admit that death is a terrible thing and the extreme evil in his Bible and that it should not exist and then let people die? It must be punishment when even he views it as being something horrendous and unspeakable. It must be punishment when he lets us kill but never lets us lie or commit fornication.
 
When God wants the law of the land to scare us off committing murder and to force us not to commit it then he wouldn’t give us the ability to kill. Even if a force field miraculously appeared to prevent say a bullet entering a brain or heart for a second that would be no problem for us or him at all. But this force field does not exist. Therefore God must want us to commit murder. He must hate the law of the land. He is accused by many of being the hypocrite of hypocrites. We have to hate ourselves by being glad that we will die if we are stabbed for if we do not consent to God letting us be murdered it’s blasphemy.
 
Death is God’s revenge more than a divine punishment for if we are not allowed to kill one another because human life is so precious and absolutely valuable then God cannot kill us either. If he kills he does it because he hates us. You only take life to save more lives and that cannot be the case with God. God is pure evil. To praise him is an abomination.
 
For the same reason, murder cannot be denounced because of the unhappiness it engenders. People should be happy that the person has gone to a better place. If they trusted God they would be happy that people die for they go to the hands of God who always does what is best.
 
The only way the notion that murder is not sinful can be abolished is by declaring that since we are more certain that a person who we can see or hear or touch exists than God or Heaven we should not kill for our religious beliefs. This however was rejected by Jesus and the Bible and the Catholic Church which all expect their speculations to be accepted as certainties. They all explicitly teach that God can delegate the right to kill to us. Once you believe in God you are saying that is possible and you cannot condemn any prophet who comes along saying God wants us to kill just because he says that.
 
If God stands for the legitimacy of murder then it follows that lying or theft or cruelty are all perfectly okay and only vicious hypocrites are opposed to them for they are less bad.
 
Nobody accepts the Christian doctrine that murder is not wrong in itself but only wrong because the victim is God’s property anymore.
 
St Thomas Aquinas who is the main bedrock of the Roman Catholic Church stated that killing a person is bad for the same reason as killing a slave owner’s slave is bad (page 89, Practical Ethics). If that is true then it follows that it is not bad to kill anybody because God is all-powerful and does not need slaves.
 
The importance of the traditional doctrine was if anybody claimed to be an Atheist or that God’s existence could not be satisfactorily proved that the Church and its pawn the state could claim to have a right to eliminate that person on the basis that the person was denying the only thing that could make it wrong to murder and was therefore by definition an anarchist. To create an “ethical” scheme like this that makes the value of people depend on a hypothesis, God, that is so obviously wrong that only ignorant people or people who just are so prejudiced that they will believe what suits them will support it is terrible. People have to come before theories and theologies. Since it is religious leaders who have to decide and tell the people what God’s will is, the power to command the destruction of threats to their power in the name of God is placed in their hands for they can say God wants his rebellious property killed and this should be done for they are his property. Since the leaders represent God it follows that they have the right to use the people as God would use them for they stand in the place of God. They have the right to make slaves of the people.
 
The argument against murder is that since persons ought to be made happy they must be more valuable than anything else for happiness cannot be more valuable than life and persons can only ought to be happy if they are important as persons and therefore more important than happiness.

If there is a God or an afterlife this argument cannot be right. If God exists and he is good then killing is right for it is his fault if we kill and so does he. And murder cannot be bad if we live on.  Or at least we need a new argument against killing. The argument that life is sacred and so killing us is bad will not do if it is true that nobody really can kill us.

If it is bad because it hurts the victim then painless methods must be used. But if God exists suffering is a call to offer it as a sacrifice of love and if a person is hurt and resents it that is not the killer’s own fault and is not a reason for condemning him or her.

For the same reason, murder cannot be denounced because of the unhappiness it engenders. People should be happy that the person has gone to a better place.

The only way the notion that murder is not sinful can be abolished is by declaring that since we are more certain that a person we can see or hear or touch exists than God or Heaven we should not kill for our religious beliefs. This however was rejected by Jesus and the Bible and the Catholic Church which all expect their ravings to be accepted as certainties.

If murder is wrong then there is no God.
 
Belief in God is a bad omen for those who aim to work to promote respect for human life.