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JESUS AFFIRMED THAT THERE WAS NOTHING MISTAKEN IN THE EVIL DIVINE LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Jesus said he wants to fulfil Moses' Law to the least detail.  Jesus expressly condemned in Matthew 5 any attempt to improve the law of Moses.

QUOTE FROM PACKER'S FUNDAMENTALISM AND THE WORD OF GOD

[Jesus] did not hesitate to challenge and condemn, on His own authority, many accepted Jewish ideas which seemed to Him false. But He never opposed His personal authority to that of the Old Testament. He never qualified the Jewish belief in its absolute authority in the slightest degree. The fact we have to face is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God incarnate, who claimed divine authority for all that He did and taught, both confirmed the absolute authority of the Old Testament for others and submitted to it unreservedly Himself. There is no lack of evidence for our Lord's attitude to the Old Testament. He prefaces with his regular formula of solemn assertion ('Verily [amen] I say unto you') the following emphatic assurance : 'till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law'.  He quotes Gn. ii. 24—in its context a comment passed by Adam or (more likely) the narrator—as an utterance of God : 'have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning . . . said…?'  He treats arguments from Scripture as having clinching force. When he says 'it is written', that is final. There is no appeal against Scripture, for 'the scripture cannot be broken'; God's Word holds good for ever. He constantly upbraids the Jewish theologians for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture; 'Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures?' 'Have ye not read . . .? 'Go ye and learn what that meaneth . . .'

When He comes to disentangle principles of the Mosaic law from the perversions of scribal exegesis, He prefaces a word of warning, lest His purpose be misunderstood. 'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets'—you must not suppose that when I contrast what 'was said to them of old time' with what 'I say unto you', I am cancelling Scripture; 'I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil'—to expound Scripture, to exhibit and implement its true meaning, and thus, so far from annulling it, to vindicate and confirm its abiding authority.

Christ's answer to the problem of authority can be summed up as follows : The Old Testament is to be received on His authority (over and above its own witness to itself) as the authoritative written utterance of God, abidingly true and trustworthy. Its divine authority and His confirm each other, so that not to accept both would be to accept neither.

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No man who condones or ignores or even blesses evil commandments in the name of God is fit to be honoured. Jesus Christ was one of those kind of men and the world worships at his feet.  It is evidence for how religion is simply a pack of lies that you imagine you believe in.

Religion lies about how inspiring the Bible is.  In fact believers think they are better than the Bible though they use it.  When you follow their religion they are flattered for they think they are so inspiring and good that you will be like them and even if the Bible is bad it will not corrupt you as long as you follow them for they are wonderful. Don't be a fool and get out of Christianity.

Take how rising knife crime makes some think the answer is the Bible. 

How is God who said "If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity" meant to inspire those of a violent disposition to put away the knives? Read Deuteronomy 25 and read how Jesus gave it full divinely inspired authority.

Scripture by definition means writings from God which supersede any other books in value and importance.  Jesus himself canonised the Torah, the law of Moses, as infallible scripture and more emphatically than he canonised anything else. He did not canonise himself as explicitly!

Jesus quotes Deuteronomy as inspired and to be obeyed on ten occasions in the gospels, and it’s the only OT book Jesus quotes when he speaks to the devil. People didn’t follow Jesus only because of his supposed miracles. He prioritised his teaching and his core doctrine that the Old Testament was written by God through man.  The teaching drew people in first and foremost.  He quoted the nastiest filthiest books of the Bible more than any others.

In regard to the savage Jewish Law which purports to have come from God, Jesus said that he had not come to abolish it but to fulfil it. Thus even if the law is changed nobody is allowed to say it was wrong before. They are not allowed to notice and must keep holding that the law is as valid as ever.  It can be updated but never questioned.

If Jesus changed the law then he acted as its superior meaning it was right when he wanted it to be. This confirms the rightness of the law – nothing in Jesus ever condemns anything in the law as sin.  The notion that Jesus altered the law in any way is not in the New Testament.

Jesus referred to the Hebrew Bible non-stop and even used it to make parables. Compare Matthew 21:33 and Isaiah 5:1-2. Jesus deeply loved his Bible. He was besotted with the Old Testament and neglected no part of it at all and even mentioned the laws commanding the death penalty for sin. He sang the Psalms on Saturdays in the synagogue and at the Temple and would have used Psalm 119 where the singer tells God who much he is consumed with longing and love for the commandments of the law. The psalms often seem to be romantically in love with the Old Testament law.

It is wrong to think Jesus ever meant to contradict the law. He could have done accidently for the law contradicts itself so why would he be guaranteed to be consistent? Some think he did contradict the law but many disagree. Even if he did, he never once said that the law was wrong. On the contrary he said his intention was to promote it without watering it down. Any contradictions were unintended.

There is nothing in the New Testament that says the law is ever wrong.

Even when Jesus made all foods clean it could be meant to mean that he magically took away whatever it was that made them dirty or unclean. It would not amount to saying, "Food is clean no matter what the law says." Jesus told the adulteress that she deserved stoning - he just got those who were to stone her to see that they should leave her alone for they were no better themselves. The story only says she was saved then. The would be stoners were not going to kill her according to the law but were going to stone her without authority. But what about after that? If she had been in danger of being stoned and the law was applied correctly Jesus would have told them to stone her.

He was not a good role model - it is Christian lies that try to make out he was. www.testreligion.com/rolemodel.html

Jesus said: "Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5:17-18).

Some use the word abolish instead of destroy. But it is clear that either word will do. He is clear that the law will bind completely until Heaven and earth pass away - a metaphor for literally forever. All is to be fulfilled until then.

The texts that say we are no longer under law and the law is obsolete reflect the New Testament doctrine that God enables us to live the law spontaneously. The law is not law any more in the sense that forcing will be necessary. But that does not imply a right to disobey. It is just making the point that joyfully refusing to murder is better than being forced by the law not to murder.

The Church is clear that the moral edicts are still correct but the provisional stuff has been dropped because the law decreed it was provisional. An example of provisional stuff would be the decrees on animal sacrifice.

Some say that Jesus when he said the law needs to be fulfilled meant that the law being fulfilled could bring about its passing away or becoming obsolete. If so Jesus said the law will pass away but only when it is fulfilled.

Those who think the law is not for us feel it was kept for us in our place by Jesus. It binds us to obedience but Jesus takes that commitment on itself. So in practice for us the law is obsolete but for Jesus it is not. And for none of us is it obsolete in principle.

A Catholic bishop said "Our Lord emphasizes that He has not come to overthrow or destroy the Law. His actions are actually in continuity with the Law, insofar as the Law itself was meant to be fulfilled by the Messiah. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law. He came to fulfill its precepts, obligations and prophecies to the last letter. Jesus does not "break" the Law; He is the incarnation of the Law."

The bishop says that because Jesus was clean he was able to touch unclean lepers. The law forbade touching them but that did not apply to Jesus for Jesus was "sterile". That is an example of Jesus seeming to break the law but without having broken it.

At least he makes it clear that Jesus wholly and personally identified himself with the terrible cruel law of Moses and made it his core mission. That is true whether or not you think Jesus released us from the precepts of the law or not.


The New Testament is clear that the Holy Spirit came around the time of Christ and is extremely powerful and this is the prime reason according to some that the Church needs only spiritual weapons against evil. This is the prime reason Christianity argues that it is unnecessary to stone people to death any more. Evil does not need to be violently removed like a cancer but dealt with by the power of the Spirit. Notably Gleason Archer promotes that kind of argument in his apologetics. So it is not that killing people or stoning them to death is wrong. It just obsolete. That means the Christian who does not stone is no better than the religious fanatic who looks for the right to stone or who lifts the rocks.