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Catholicism manipulates its members

Catholicism says that it is the one true faith community. It claims to be the only united, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. It says that if you suspect/believe/know your religion is wrong and Catholicism is right then you will go to Hell forever unless you join her. Outside the Church there is no salvation. The reason you will be damned is because by staying outside of the Church you are complicit in error or sin or both. You are saying you are okay with error or sin or both. The only excuse is if you are forced to stay out of the Church by dangerous psycho relatives or whatever. So if you are complicit and indirectly responsible for error or sin by refusing to join Catholicism, then it follows that if you are Catholic and you find out that the Church is not the religion set up by God to alone teach authorised doctrine and truth and stay in it you are guilty of grave evil. Religion encourages society to imagine it is not complicit in evil when it fails to divorce itself from that evil or any implied and wilful tolerance of it. It does that for its own ends. It is no wonder that people who let others look at child porn tell themselves they are not part of the evil of child porn. They make a market for it merely by standing by and thereby permitting the evil. In the same way, the Catholic who won't dump the Church though free to do so, is to blame for the problems caused by and the lies told by the Church.
Christianity needs to be a real divine revelation - if it is man-made then it is seriously evil no matter how good it might make somebody feel.
Man has no right to say there is a God and make excuses for why that God allows evil. It is different if God communicates his existence.
Man has no right to say that sins such as idolatry and adultery and abortion etc are grave evils on his own authority. It is different if God says they are wrong.
Man has no right to say babies have sin or that unrepentant grave sinners will suffer for their sin forever in Hell. That would be a terrible doctrine if it is untrue or if it is based only on what humans say.
We could go on and on.

If we enable the lies and errors of religion and hide them from exposure, we are as guilty as the religious fraudsters are. No we are worse for we pave the way for them to be worse than they are or worse than we may ever realise they are.

A test of membership in Catholicism is: "Is what I say or truly believe agreeable with Church teaching?" Unless there is a bit of faith in the Church, you cannot really belong to it. Without faith your belonging is superficial. Do you really belong to your family if you think that family is there to spoil you and wait on you hand and foot?
Most Catholics are not Catholic believers but cherry-pickers. They make excuses for why they accept one Church teaching as being from God and not another though the Church is based on the the idea that God has instructed it on what to believe. They may even go as far as to think it is okay to disagree with what God has revealed through the Church and insist that he has more important things to be concerned about than precision about beliefs. Some cherry-picking Catholics point to the Church teaching that conscience is primary. The Church agrees but warns that if a dissenter follows her conscience and chooses against the Church this is an error to be corrected and not something to be encouraged. The Church is to help her see the light. The dissenter may be free from sin but that does not mean she speaks or stands for the Catholic Church in the decision she has made.
Catholics who leave the Church often say they disagree with the central and core beliefs. The implication is that they might have stayed if the disagreements were not over core beliefs but less important beliefs. Let us look at the way this works. The Catholic who thinks faith in Jesus is a bad thing for he was a fraud is rejecting a core belief of the Church. The Catholic who has no problem with Catholic doctrine except on the hot topics of contraception and same-sex marriage will say she accepts the core beliefs but believes the Church is wrong about contraception and same-sex marriage. But in principle there is no difference between our Catholics. Both of them are rejecting the core belief of the Church that God set up only one religion that is guaranteed to teach the whole truth. They are saying religion is just man trying to make sense of God - in other words that it is a human creation. Also, if it is true that Jesus gave the Church his authority it follows that he is the one lying to us if contraception is condemned as wrong when it is not wrong. To question a "minor" doctrine is to cast doubt on the core doctrines. In Catholicism, the core doctrines are really the sum of the other doctrines. They are core doctrines in that sense not in the sense that they are essential and other doctrines are not. For example, when the Church thinks of God as good it means a God who opposes contraception and gay-marriage as well as a God who is against hate.
The Church claims to be a hospital for sinners and that everybody is a missionary and a worker in the hospital. A hospital for sinners has to diagnose sin as if it were a cancer and the person has to be helped and advised to give it up. The sin is not to be tolerated in the same way that cancer is intolerable. The Roman Church then is intolerant of sin by default. If Catholics tolerate sin it is because they are suffering from the sin of timidity. In principle, they stand for intolerance of sin. It is what the religion stands for in principle that must be considered first and foremost when you are deciding whether to stay in or leave your religion. If you stay while considering the evil principles to be part of the faith and unchangeable then you are far worse than the members of the faith that support the evil ignorantly. The danger with the intolerance of sin is that it demands that people be pressured to attend Mass on Sunday and avoid masturbation. Many of the things considered to be civil liberties are banned by the Church and morally judged as sins.
Those who disagree with the Church on serious matters might stay in it because their sins and heresies are tolerated. Should they feel welcome? No for tolerance is a mask for disdain. It implies that it is a pity the person has to be tolerated. The Catholics who refuse to even politely challenge their sins and heresies are not acting as Catholics. To encourage their Catholicism in any way by example is asking for intolerance for your sins.
Atheism too can take on the form of being a hospital for those who err and want religion and God. But it does not believe in sin so its role is to help people in their personal development as opposed to their moral development.
It is seen as tolerant today to say there are many religious paths to God and spiritual contentment. Some Catholics say their religion is not the only way to God or to spiritual contentment but their religion is the right way for them. But this is not tolerant of Catholicism as it truly is. The Catholic Church teaches that it is not an item on a religion menu but the religions all are obligated to disband and join for it is the only religion that worships God correctly. The Church is nice to them in the hope of helping them to see they have an obligation.
Catholicism should believe that birth control is evil - its part of its identity as a religion. Catholicism can't be the true religion if it is wrong about how sinful birth control is. But people should separate from it so that there will be no Catholicism left to believe it. If you belong to or claim to belong to a religion that should believe evil things, then even if it doesn't, you are being evil and supporting evil. A religion that doesn't understand or admit or see how evil it is meant to be is a religion that is being praised for going against itself. It is no compliment to praise it for you are praising ignorance and disobedience. Separate from it.
Many stay in the Church for they are influenced by the idea that sincerity matters and not truth. If you err even with the best of intentions you still do harm. You harm your power to perceive the truth every time you err. You harm yourself though you feel no pain. You harm others by giving an example of error to them. To err is to take the side of error even if you never get the chance to express and live out your error. If somebody is wrong but sincere we can praise them for the sincerity but not for being wrong.
The view that if somebody has harmful religious beliefs that it is none of our business as long as they are sincere is wrong. If it would be our business if they were insincere then the fact that they are sincere makes them  more dangerous. It is even more our business then! At least if they are insincere they know they are wrong and on the side of wrong. The whole point of it being our business is stopping the harm. It is not about interfering with their intentions as intentions for we can't change anybody's intentions for them. Belief in God endangers morality. If you suppose that the belief has no relevance to morality then it follows that emphasising God like religionists do is bad. The more you emphasise, the worse it is.
It is our business if they live their lives as if God gave them their beliefs when he didn't or couldn't have. They are not islands - their lives affect them and affect us.
Many of those who say religion leads to wars actually mean Christianity and Judaism and Islam do that. Each one of the trio claims to be exclusively God's people and to have his only true creed. Being part of those faiths is not a thing that ought to be taken for granted. It is serious business if not for us then for people of the future.
A religion is not a community but a theological system that forms a community. To say otherwise is to imply that your wider community is not a community at all for it is comprised of people of different faiths and non-faiths.
Liberals do not believe in respecting their religions teaching in full. Yet they have the hypocrisy to advocate respect for religion.
Cherry-picking is a scientific sin. You cannot say God wrote the entire Bible and then reject any command he gave because you don't like it. You believe the Bible is God's word or you do not.
Catholicism has lied to its flock. It has distorted evidence that it is the true religion. It makes dangerous claims such as that it is better to expose yourself to AIDS than to wear a condom. It conditions people who have sex outside marriage to feel they are severely damaged because if such sex is harmless or can be harmless the Church has a problem explaining how it can be sinful! It expects people to take the word of men, the apostles and bishops, that those who die in serious sin will be damned forever. The Church accuses those people of deserving all that because men ask it to. It has raped and abused children and been an oppressive force in society when it was powerful enough. Yet many Catholics send their children to its schools to have them conditioned as they once were. Yet many Catholics have their children baptised into Church membership. Yet many Catholics stay in the Church. The question is, what does it take to make them consider quitting Catholicism or to quit Catholicism? Why do they not look for a kinder and better religion? A religion that claims to be holy as Catholicism should be the best religion. The sinfulness of the Church is worse than that of any other faith. The Church exaggerates the seriousness of sin. It follows that if you exaggerate the badness of sin you intend to be worse than the next person even if both of you do equal damage.
To stay in the Catholic Church because you like the people is really saying that Lutherans or Anglicans or whatever don't have members who are equally nice and good.
There are members of the Catholic Church who act as if nothing at all can put them off practicing their faith. They still pay money to the Church and justify its existence by attending Mass no matter how much the Church lies to them, abuses them or innocent people or how unpopular Catholicism is. They even try to turn their babies into Catholics. Fundamentalism is simply supporting a religion no matter what. That is extremism. Extremism that leads religionists to be so stubborn is the same attitude that leads religionists to kill heretics or pagans.
Religion encourages the notion of dogma - refusing to change one's mind in the face of the evidence that one should. Human nature being stubborn makes it inevitable that some people will do that. But as many if not more will. Indeed, if most religionists were that obstinate the paganism that enchanted the whole world would still be as strong. And a person might only act obstinate because they are in denial that they have already changed their minds. The perception that religious people will not change their minds is really a form of sectarianism - its pre-judging them. Speak to the religious person instead of assuming they will not change. Dedicated Catholics have become Jehovah's Witnesses so people do change.
It must be assumed that as most people would want the right to be able to make informed decisions that all would want it. People would agree with, ďIts better to know the truth and have to painfully deal with it than to be deluded and happy.Ē Do not be afraid to help a person challenge their own religious beliefs.
The Roman Catholic Church as a faith has deceived the people and especially the poorest and most vulnerable members of society. There is no such thing as a good Catholic. No. What is called a good Catholic is a good human being who has the Catholic label. The point is that it is people who are good - not religions. It is people who make up charities that look after the poor not charities. Same principle!
Love the sinner and hate the sin means that you must judge the sin not the sinner. That is lying that the sin is not the sinner. You sin because you are a sinner and you are not a sinner because you sin. Your outwardly bad and deliberate acts only show the kind of person you are. To hate the sin is to hate the sinner for sin by definition describes a person's sinfulness. Yet the lie that the sin is separate from the sinner is the foundation of religion and its manipulative charm. It is an insult to the person you hurt for people to tell you that you are perfect for you are not your sins. One thing is for sure, when an organisation or religion is based on hypocrisy such as loving sinners and hating sins there should be no need for that religion. Hypocrisy by definition is not needed. Anything that has no right to exist has no right to be the cause of fighting and bigotry even if it says it forbids those things. Anything there is no need for should disband if people fight and hate over it. Systems of bad example are to blame for all the evil their members do over them even if they do not tell them to do it.
People who are charmed by the Church's offer of forgiveness forget that the Church has to judge them as people who have done evil and who should be punished before it can forgive. Forgiving and judging go together.
Some say the Catholic Church should be ditched because it is a hate organisation. It is indeed a hate organisation but because its flock are apathetic or cherry-pickers who want religion to suit them it cannot implement or show the full force of that hate. Do not say then, "Many Catholics are reasonable, liberal and decent people thus it is a mistake to label the Church as a hate organisation." They may be Catholic but it does not follow that everything they do and say is Catholic.
Many people say they are in their religion because they could be in a lot worse. That is a terrible endorsement of their religion!
The Church excommunicates heretics from membership. This is under Canon Law. Divine Law, a separate system of law, is the Law of God. If God sees that a Catholic is not a true Catholic, he marks that person down as an actor not a Catholic. Nobody should simply ask people to accept them as a Catholic. If they call themselves Catholic, the burden of proof is on them. They should not ask for recognition without providing evidence and the only real evidence is adherence to the Catholic faith.
If you are a Catholic and commit adultery you are a very bad person according to your faith and Catholic conscience. You deserve everlasting Hell unless you repent. You are showing you prefer your own way to that of God and others. Selfish people do good to satisfy the need in themselves and to help others though it results in helping others. The good they do is really hidden selfishness and is bad in the sense that you value only yourself in reality. It leads to spiritual blindness according to the faith gurus. Your good works will be nothing unless you repent. Catholic doctrine makes a person far worse when they are selfish.
If you are an atheist and you commit adultery you are not that bad. You donít believe in Hell so you canít mean to be that bad.
It is very important that unbelievers make sure that they are not numbered as Catholics on census forms. To tick the Catholic box is to virtually give the power of the Church a vote. To do this, it is necessary to have oneís name removed from the list the priest has of people who must contribute to the Church. It is necessary to stop going to Mass and cease to give the Church any money.
It is better to be a healthy and happy human being than a religious person. That is why the total rejection of Catholicism is not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It is purifying the bathwater.
If you want to be close to God, Catholicism offers you saints to help you. But surely God can bring you to himself and you can go to him straight? Jesus said, ďIf you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in Heaven give good things to those asking him?Ē - Matthew 7:11. The Catholic claim that the Church wants to bring you to God is lipservice. The early Christians who worshipped pagan saints and gods used the same excuse - "Oh I need them to help me get close to God." It is exactly what you have to say if you say there is a God and you want other gods. Such religion only cheats people who want God.
When you understand the proofs that Catholicism is deceitful and dangerous, you will see that you will have to officially leave it.
Any decent person leaves an organisation when the organisation does grave evil. What does it take for you leave? The Church has abused children. Don't say the Church did what it knew was wrong and that because some go wrong it doesn't mean the religion can't be a good thing and worth supporting. You would not be saying that about another religion. If a religion came to you with a wonderful message and the religion wasn't practicing it you would not enter the religion because of its disobedience.
Catholicism is worse than Protestantism in relation to the problem of clerics abusing children. Yet Catholicism claims to be the true religion. God should be able to make the true religion holier than the rest and to keep the ministry from having too many perverts and pervert sympathisers. The argument that the faith should still be supported despite the evil is therefore wrong. And to argue that way is simply to insult God.
It is not the pope and the bishops you must blame for the destructive anti-gay message of the Church. It is those who give them the money and who are listed as members of the Church. The members need leaders. The ordinary people are those who are ultimately to blame for the evil teaching and the vices that proceed from the leaders. They haven't spoken with their feet.
Authority must be obeyed whether it is right or wrong. If the boss orders you to use the fuck word in business letters that is what you must do. Authority is often bad but it is still needed. Chaos would be worse. You may say the Nazis reasoned like that and used the excuse, "Poor us! We were only obeying orders!" But in very serious cases authority should be defied to its face. However this defiance still considered a necessary evil and not a good thing. If you are in a religion that you have to do necessary evil for, that evil is actually unnecessary if you don't need to be in that religion.
Religion is only a small part of the lives of most believers and most people are not religious and still are good people. So religious authority cannot be justified because it is not a necessary evil. If religious authority is a necessary evil then it has the right to ban homosexuality and exclude practicing gay people if it pleases. Religious authority is not based on democracy.
Supporting gay rights and being a member of the Church is being contradictory. If religious authority is an unnecessary evil, then then there is an even bigger contradiction between supporting it and supporting gay rights. You can't be serious about gay rights if you support an unnecessary authority that opposes these rights and which teaches that they are wrong. To teach that homosexuality is wrong is to teach that there is no right to practice it and to have gay relationships safeguarded by the law. Even if religion tolerates homosexual relationships it cannot say that gay people have the right to declare homosexuality a right. The Church denies that there is a right to practice homosexuality for rights are based on the dignity and needs of the person while homosexuality is seen to be undignified.
As long as your name is on the member rolls of the Church, you are obligated to obey the authorities of the Church. The Christian Religion says that God needs to reveal his message to men who teach it to the people because there is so much we cannot understand. We must just obey. To pick and choose what authority says and what you like out of the faith is really to say the faith is man-made. Yet the basic attitude of Christianity is that the Christian faith is to be considered of divine and not merely human origin. To deny that is to cease to be a Christian in everything but name and outward appearance. Why would you want to be a Christian when you pick and choose? You are not even Christian then!
The Church opposes several human rights. Your sincerity in relation to the supporting of these rights can be doubted. Why? God has to tell us what we cannot know or understand he might know why some things that are harmless are in fact seriously wrong even if we can never know. To say God knows and has to tell us is to open the door to people who say God has said the practice of say homosexuality is wrong. You are diminishing the credibility of your work for gay rights. You are supporting doubt about the rightness of gay equality with heterosexuals.

The Church is based on lies and hypocrisy. For example, it allows you to tell a person, "That was a very bad thing you did, it was abominable. It upsets and angers me greatly". Bizarrely you are not allowed to say, "You were a very bad person when you did that." So you are allowed to judge the act but you are to pretend you are not judging the person. You can't judge one without the other. Worse it is not the act that is hateful it is the character of the person - in other words it is the kind of person that the act reveals that is hateful. Strictly speaking, hating the act is only a figure of speech. It is the person doing the act that is hateful. Is it any wonder there is so much "sin" in the Church with its hypocritical lies! And it is a lie that has to be told every minute and day in and day out.
People may sometimes confuse belief and faith. Belief is not certainty. But religious faith is regarded by the Bible and the Roman Catholic Church as a form of knowledge or certainty. This is a very dangerous attitude. Religious belief is bad enough but when the religionists start claiming to know they are right it causes a lot of trouble. Suppose a Muslim and a Roman Catholic are in the same room. The Muslim claims to know that the Koran and the Islamic faith is true. The Catholic claims to know that the Roman Catholic Church is the only right religion. Obviously at least one of them is deluded or lying. They must suspect each other of lying. Thus Catholics and Muslims making peace together is really just superficial. It cannot last. The devout Roman Catholic who says he knows that homosexuality is wrong must accuse the homosexual Christian who claims to know it is not wrong of self-deceit.
To support religion is to support people who pretend they know more than they should and to promote an arrogance that can lead only to war and persecution. No moral person stays in an immoral religion - or one that has teachings with immoral implications - when there is better out there.         
A person may be evil in principle or in action. If you would kill a person but you help them then you are evil in principle but not in practice. Catholicism is intrinsically evil in principle and often in practice.
Everybody in the early 1900ís thought that traditional Christianity with all its superstitions and absurdities was dead. They were wrong. In America, Christianity that pretends there are no errors in the Bible and that the world was made by God in six days about six thousand years ago is now more powerful than it ever was and causes much hurt and time-wasting and foolishness. Donít empower the Church to get back its control over people. It may not have much power now but that can change. The doctrines that should lead to the Church being able to exploit as it did in former days are still in force. Human nature is dangerously insane in relation to spiritual matters.
You cannot ignore commonsense and reason. You can only repress them. You can realise things unconsciously. For example, you can tell yourself you believe in God and you can refuse to let yourself see deep down that you do not. Do not harm yourself and do not fool yourself for religion.
The Roman Catholic faith is deceitful and often deliberately deceitful. Deceit is always harmful because it is degrading to yourself and the truth and therefore to others. It implies that if it is okay for you to deceive then others should do it too their own way. The ultimate result will be a world where education is impossible and there is nothing but mistrust.
Canon Law states that baptism enters one as a member of the Roman Catholic Church. You can't be a Catholic unless you are recognised as one in Church law. Protestants then are baptised Catholics. Logically then as children when they start to embrace the Protestant faith they cease to be Catholics. This implies that if a person is merely a nominal Roman Catholic, he or she is only treated as Catholic for legal purposes but this does not imply he is really a Catholic. It is the same way the Church and state have to assume a marriage that was in reality was null and void was real.
A person who becomes a non-Christian or Humanist is forfeiting the right to be called Roman Catholic even more than the person who becomes Protestant in the way described has.
If you do not willingly practice as a Catholic and if you if do not believe this religion is really revealed by God then you are no longer Catholic. The Catholic Church carries four marks. Oneness of faith or at least trying to believe and avoiding any influence that attacks Church teaching.
If you lose these marks, you are not part of the Church.
The Church says it got its doctrine from the apostles. It can only improve in understand this doctrine but it cannot change it. Catholics who want the Church to start accepting gay sex, allowing gay marriage and divorce and abortion are really just asking for it to betray its standards. All bodies are entitled to have standards that many will disagree with but if you have a problem with those standards
Every major Catholic teaching is nonsense. People who wonít stop peddling serious nonsense are bigots deep down and they are anti-truth. Be their friend but donít be their collaborator. Leave the Church. It is not a trivial matter.
Most Catholics under Church law are not real Catholics at all. Yet because they are listed as members the power of the clergy is enhanced as the list is massive. The main way to support the Church is to be on this list. That is why there are whole dioceses in which the Catholic faith has disappeared and nobody believes in it but the Church structure exists there and there are priests and there is a bishop. To get rid of the Catholic organisation or to diminish it is necessary to leave so that the structure may vanish. The structure not the faith or the good works is what gives the Church its awesome power.