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ANTI-SOCIAL SLUR: ORIGINAL SIN SLANDERS OUR FIRST PARENTS (ASSUMING WE HAD ONES!) AND OUR VULNERABLE INNOCENT BABIES AND THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE!!!

Original sin is the idea that we all come into existence as sinners and estranged from God and that Adam the first human being was to blame for that.  A result of original sin is that we always tend to sin. Barack Obama said, "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion."  If we have original sin then how true is that?  What if it programs some to hate on racist grounds?  Ignoring how we don't care about most other people, Nelson Mandela lies and says "love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."  If original sin is inside each of us then one of its features is certainly denial as exemplified by those two do-gooders!!

There are three understandings of what original sin is. That it is your own first sin - that somehow a baby that knows nothing can personally sin. That you are blamed with Adam for his sin so you are guilty too - the orthodox Christian view. That you are not blamed for it but you are born like you have been.

Original sin is the sin that Adam and Eve committed at the beginning of the human race according to the Bible and Christian theology. Adam represented the human race and so when he sinned the entire human race was sinful at the first moment of their existence in the womb for he sinned for the whole race. He made the decision that we would all be born in original sin and so it happened. This sin is original sin both because it is the first or original sin ever committed by a man and also because we have it when we begin to exist. Roman Catholicism teaches that baptism is necessary for forgiveness for original sin. If the sin is not forgiven, God will not let the person into Heaven.

Adam and Eve need to be put on trial before being accused of all that!  So much for Christianity's belief in innocent until proven guilty.

Church teaching is that the sin is personal in Adam but natural in me.  In other words, Adam was being spiteful and selfish while as for me I am made in that state which is why the sin is grave in him and in me it is grave but not as grave.  Adam was being personal and I am not.  This is saying I come in being sinful in nature.  I am as bad as him except I didn't take the forbidden fruit.  He did.

Does this original sin mean we are born thieves, blasphemers, murderers, sexual profligates and liars? It is said we are afflicted by sin, we have a problem that makes us want to be independent of God and enjoy good on our terms not his. So are supposed to have the problem of sin. Believers say that the type of sins is a different issue so we are not born thieves or whatever. We are born sinners but it is up to us what kind of sins we will commit. It is up to us to become thieves etc. But don't be charmed by that. If pride and the wish to be free from God are what comprise sin then whatever thieving or murdering we get up to or not, the problem is our attitude not what we actually do with it. So the person who would not kill is as bad as the person who does kill. Original sin insults the entire human race and is another denial of innocent until PROVEN guilty. Atheists sometimes wonder that when Christianity says that we come into existence with defects that make us bad why they cannot say we get defects that tend to make us religious and condone evil when done and permitted by a supposed God! Religion likes to be good but good in a way that it becomes an enemy of the best. Religion does exhibit detachment from reality and distorts respect for others - you would almost think the most obvious symptom of original sin is religion itself!
 
Christians use the behaviour of monsters like Stalin as evidence of original sin. It is evil to use human suffering as evidence for a religious doctrine especially a monstrous and absurd one such as original sin. The religious person means more by original sin than the human inclination to evil. That is where the problem is. And if Stalin is evidence for original sin, it means that all of us are accused of having original sin and thus being as potentially dangerous as he was.

The reason Christians remark that we are all so drawn to sin and sin so much is that they have made up half of the sins. We are a lot better than they say so there is no evidence that we prefer bad to good. Even if most people do bad things now that does not prove that they are deliberately evil.  They may just be as unintelligent and not know how to become better people.
 
A religion teaching original sin is bad in principle regardless of how much good in practice it does. If murdering a person every year somehow seemed to lower the crime rate that would not make this good worth it. In fact it would only be an apparent good not a real one!
 
ORIGINAL SIN AND RELIGION
 
The Genesis story says Adam and Eve listened to a miraculous revelation from a snake saying that if they ate of the tree they would be gods. Thus original sin is fundamentally about having false religion in your heart even if you are not a member of any formal religion that happens to be false. The miracle food of the tree worked an evil miracle. If Christendom is false religion then it is the servant of original sin not its curer.

ENTITLED TO ORIGINAL NEUTRALITY PERHAPS BUT NOT ORIGINAL SIN

A baby has just come into existence in the womb.  The Church says it has original sin even now.

If original sin is not a sin as in transgression then it is the absence of God.

If so then it cannot be forgiven and baptism does not intend to forgive it.  So why is baptism presented as forgiving?  It judges the baby as bad and needing forgiveness - there can be no doubt about that.  Actions speak louder than doctrines.

Some suspicious minds might that that as the Church claims the power to forgive sins and put you in sin (if you retain the sins of any - Jesus said) that baptism is a ploy for putting sin that needs forgiving in the baby and thus is the gateway to evil and idolatry and hidden if not blatant opposition to God.

The Church says that babies have done nothing to deserve grace from God so he is entitled to let them be born in original sin (question 711, Radio Replies, Vol 1). That shows what kind of feelings the priesthood has for babies. Without the grace nobody can be a friend of God’s. So God rejects the babies for no reason. This is the same God who has the hypocrisy to say we must accept the innocent and be kind to them. This tells us that if there is no God then we are free to let our babies starve to death or whatever for our own convenience. Because if God does it and is right to it would still be right for it to happen even if he did not exist for the principle would still be there. This is one of several examples in which the Church encourages atheists to be evil if they have abandoned the Church. It wants them to be bad in order to proclaim her superiority.
 
“God took from Adam’s posterity nothing whatever that was due to them: He merely reduced them to the level of what was due to them – instead of giving them (as He had planned) gratuitous gifts” (page 5, THE FALL AND ORIGINAL SIN, WHAT IS CHRISTIANITY III, WILLIAM MORAN DD, ST PATRICKS COLLEGE, MAYNOOTH).   The Church says that Adam was punished for his sin simply by losing the presence of God inside him which worked to make him holy. It says he had no right to this anyway and it was a gift. So when he sinned the gift was taken from him. This doctrine is pure evil because everybody has the right to be helped to have the advantage in trying to live a good life. God is worse than the sinner if he takes help from them. Even if we say that God could have done this to Adam justly for Adam rejected this help, God still had no right to put Adam’s offspring – ourselves – at a disadvantage of being born without his gift.
 
What makes the Church crueller is that it blames original and actual sin for death. Death is the result for anything evil has to be eliminated. So God makes the babies entitled to die by refusing to grant them sanctifying grace – sanctifying grace is the presence of God within you making you his and helping you to love him. Whatever the Church may say about them not deserving happiness in Heaven it cannot say that they deserve to suffer or die. These brutal doctrines are well covered up but they are real Catholic teachings.

The Church says the baby is not entitled to have God present within. But entitled is irrelevant. The baby can have God or not have him. Clearly the baby should have God for it is the kindest option. A man may not be entitled to a loaf of bread but it is clearly right to give it to him. To say he should not get it because he is not entitled is just cruel nonsense.

Perhaps a baby should be neutral neither with God or without God.  Original neutrality should be what is there not original sin if they are the only choices. But they are not.  Original grace, the presence of God in the baby, should be granted to the child from the first moment of his existence.

ORIGINAL SIN, THE SINFUL SMEAR
 
In Catholicism, Father Richard P McBrien rejects three ideas about original sin.

He rejects the assumption that it is a denial of human freedom.

He rejects the idea of Sartre that original sin is just the meaninglessness of human existence.

He rejects the traditional Christian notion that that original sin is a personal sin that God blames us for though we didn't commit it (page 185, Catholicism, HarperSanFrancisco, New York, 1994). God blames us for the sin Adam and Eve committed in the garden of Eden at the start of the human race. He is forced to say it is a mystery and leave it at that. But that is a cop-out. He is hiding behind the mystery thing to disguise the absurdity of the doctrine and how it must be saying we are blamed for a sin we never committed or that we have somehow ratified this sin and shared in it thereby. He proves that in how he cannot say what original sin does to us. All agree that it makes us tend to sin but that tendency to sin is understood by all not as original sin but as a result of it.

If it is a mystery then why can't baptism be the cause of a sin in the way we have learned of? 
 
The representatives of the Christian Churches often make a good impression and yet these men and women are blackening babies and their God in the interests of power. They teach that we have original sin from the first moment of our existence because of the sin of Adam and Eve and this condition makes us more liable to sin and darkens our intelligence. The cure is often supposed to be water baptism.

THE BIBLE TEACHES WE SINNED WHEN ADAM SINNED AND ARE SENTENCED TO DEATH BY GOD FOR IT

Original sin is taught in the Bible where the baby is thought to be in the same sinful condition as Adam was for eating the forbidden fruit.

Ezekiel 18:1-4, 20; Jeremiah 32:18-19; Deuteronomy 1:39; Isaiah 7:16; Jonah 4:10-11; Matthew 25:45-46; II Samuel 12:15-23; II Samuel 18:29-19:5 and II Kings 4:26 are put forward a saying babies that die in infancy are saved probably because they don't have any sin. None of them mentions Heaven so that argument is out.  The Ezekiel verse merely says a child can’t be blamed for the sins of its father but Christians point out that that does not exclude a child being to blame for the sin of the first man Adam. Romans 5:12-14 and Psalm 51:5 say that the child is punished by a tendency to sin for carrying sin from the first moment of its existence.

The Psalmist wrote, “I was brought forth in [a state of] iniquity” (Psalm 51:5).

Jesus said, “Unless a man is born of water and [even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God. What is born of [from] the flesh is flesh [of the physical is physical] and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not…at my telling you, You must all be born anew” (John 3:5-7). Jesus is saying we should not be astonished that we need a new birth, forgiveness, for physical existence does not have one right with God. The very fact that Jesus spoke of a new birth or a birth from above shows that he accepted original sin. You can only be born once so it must be the same with the spiritual birth. If he thought we would be reborn lots of times then he would have called it the spiritual purification or first reconciliation.

Romans 5 says that because of Adam’s sin all people will die. It does not say that we sin because Adam gave us bad example or anything and that is why we die. It is not talking about the sins we personally commit. They are not the reason we die, Adam's sin is. Paul says that it is because Adam made us sinners that we sin.
 
Romans implies that all must deserve death when God is just and God punished all Adam’s descendants for his crime. Paul said that Jesus needed to come to reverse what Adam did which is repeating that we deserve it for it is confessing that God did not have to let us die. He said Jesus saved us vicariously the same way Adam vicariously made us come fallen into the world. Paul said that, “As sin came into the world though one man, and death as the result of sin, so death spread to all men [no one being able to stop it or to escape its power] because all men sinned. [To be sure] sin was in the world before ever the Law was given, but sin is not charged to men’s account where there is no law...Yet death held sway from Adam to Moses [the Lawgiver], even over those who did not themselves transgress [a positive command] even as Adam did” (Romans 5:12-14). This makes it clear that even those who do not believe in right and wrong are sinners because they die though they haven’t wilfully sinned. It is Adam’s sin, the sin they have acquired from him, that condemns them.

Because of Adam’s sin, we are all condemned as sinners (Romans 5:18,19). Adam’s sin does not just make us all fall just because it is a bad example because Paul compares Adam’s bad effect on the human race with the saving and sanctifying effect of Jesus on it and we cannot say that this simply means that there was no good example until Jesus! So Adam sinned for us like Jesus obeyed for us. That is the comparison. Even sinners can give good example by seeming good. Pelaganism, the doctrine that there is no original sin is a heresy according to the Bible. When a mere example is not meant something stronger and stranger is meant. Somehow Adam sinned for us making us as bad as himself.

Paul said that as one man’s sin passed on condemnation to us so Jesus’ act of goodness passed on acquittal and salvation to us (Romans 5:18). Adam and Jesus affected us the same way. Pelagians say he only means that Adam got us condemned when we followed his bad example and that he did not put any weakness into us that would cause us to sin. But you could not say that Jesus has saved us simply by giving us an example to imitate. We did not need him for that. So Jesus must have saved us by removing the weakness towards sin so that we would turn to the grace of God and be saved and pardoned. Paul definitely taught that we were punished for Adam’s sin with weakness towards sin and that our individual sins are products of this original sin, this opposition to God that we are born with. We can only deserve a defect that causes us to sin if we are blamed or as guilty of eating the forbidden fruit like Adam was. To teach that weakness has a part to play in making us sin is to deny that we are fully to blame for our sins so it is impossible to see how we can deserve eternal punishment which would require full consent of the will to grievous sin. The whole system is vindictive for it accuses us of deserving that for what is not all our fault. Whatever theory of original sin you hold to, in some way we are blamed for what we didn’t do.

INJUSTICE

Protestants often say that it is the guilt of sin inherited from Adam. The little baby in the cot is as much guilty of eating the forbidden fruit as Adam was though it never committed this sin.

This is terribly unjust. It is absurd to imagine that you can be guilty of a sin that you never committed. Yet it must be the biblical theory for God says that even though some don’t have a law or believe in one and so cannot sin they are still sinners (Romans 5:13).

Catholics believe that there are two kinds of sin, as distinct from original sin that we commit ourselves. Venial is serious sin that does not cut you off from God and mortal sin is sin so bad that he spews you out. Catholics believe that God would not take a life in retribution for a venial sin but would for a mortal sin. God told Adam that his sin would cost him his life. So his sin was mortal and if we are as if we have that sin then we must deserve Hell forever. The unbaptised babies must be destined for Hell and its eternal torments of despair.

It is a mistake to hope that they are not on the grounds that God would not be that cruel. St Augustine and Pope St Gregory the Great held that he intended to send them there. Love is cruel so God might send them to Hell so that they might make the sacrifice of enduring its pain willingly for the love of him.

Catholics say that babies are not blamed for Adam’s sin but are in the same spiritual condition that a mortal sinner is in all the same. In more academic language, they don’t have sanctifying grace. They say it is a sin only in the sense that God hates this state but not in the sense that the baby has deliberately offended God (page 711, Radio Replies, Vol 1). This view says that we owe punishment to God to atone for Adam’s sin for it is his debt and he didn’t pay it so it falls on his children. It makes us guilty in that we have failed to pay because we are sinners and don’t want to pay either.

By no stretch of reason can the absence of grace be called sin. Sin is wilfully offending God. If the child carries Adam’s sin the it deserves to be separated from God but this theory claims that it deserves to be in communion with him and is kept out of it. It seems better to be meant to be in communion with him and is kept out of it. It seems better than the theory that babies are guilty of Adam’s sin literally though they never committed it but it is really far worse. Better to be punished for an imputed sin than for no sin at all.

The theory does not explain how a baby can be a sinner for it knows nothing of Adam’s debt and has nothing to be punished for. If there is a punishment it will not have it until it grows up a bit. Punishment is supposed to be for our good and to improve our characters. The punishment that original sin demands is so useless that Jesus had to undergo it for us so it is sheer vindictiveness.

Original sin is an unnecessary evil and it shows that existence is a sin for it is the punishment for coming into being.

TRUST BETRAYED
 
The Roman Catholic Church says that we have inherited a bias towards sin from Adam. The true Protestants say that we sin all the time unless we are saved by faith.

So, when a person does good for you it is more than half likely to be an attempt to manipulate you for their selfish ulterior motive. When a person tells you something it is most likely to be a lie.

And the Churches are the very people who ask for our trust. They say that it is a sin to be too suspicious but yet they imply that you can’t be too suspicious. When everybody turns cynical they will make themselves and others unhappy and this will lead to scheming and fighting. People will not care what they do, for each individual will think that they must get everybody else before they get them. It is most likely that the religious people only fake it when they seem to trust other people. If they do trust then they are not really religious. They would not promote the doctrine of preferring sinfulness or support cults that do it if they really trusted others. They can’t trust others when they tell lies and have them doing the same. They cannot trust themselves so how could their trust for others be genuine?

It is blasphemy of the highest order to believe in God and what he has done when you have to rely on treacherous men to hear the word of God and when they interpret the word for you. Then you are really seeing God as the men want you to see him and that is putting them first and blaspheming God and espousing evil doctrine and opposing the truth that God wants all to know. The blasphemy is a most serious sin indeed.

And the believers condemn gossip. If we are that bad does it really matter what people say about us? They can say we stole this or that and even if it is not true that does not matter for we would have done something as bad sometime. Everybody gossips and the religious notion of original sin certainly makes sure that they will when they dare to. It is clever how much religion condemns evils and then persuades people that doctrines which will draw them to commit them are true. That way it can look like the enemy of evil while it sneakily tricks people into doing it. What is happening is that people end up acting terribly because they believe they are terrible anyway so doing more evil will make no difference.

Religion says that the gravity of a sin is reduced by the amount of evil that is in the victim. For example, it is evil to hit a saint but not as evil to hit a killer. If we are all evil then the person who beats us up and nearly kills us is unjustly maligned by society. He is bad but his crime is a small one and when society likes small crimes it should not deplore this one. When a person believes in such doctrines his or her resistance to the temptation to commit sick acts will gradually wear down. When they are caught and punished they will not be sorry because they will see themselves as victims of society. It will make them worse.

The law of the land would have to be revised to make it soft or evil if we are that bad. Religion could say that life and freedom are punishment enough.

Doctrines like this throw a damper on everything in life and make you feel guilty all the time. God is unlimited love so he hates unlove or sin infinitely. And the fact that sin would therefore be infinitely evil means we should feel like we poisoned the whole world. Religion likes inducing guilt because it makes us more malleable and it can use us better.

ORIGINAL SIN MAKES YOU FOND OF SIN

The Church says there is no logical reason why we have to eventually sin. But when it is claimed to inevitable that we will sin it is clear that the Church is just messing around with words.

The Church says the fact that all of us will sin eventually and cannot live a sinless life is not our fault. There is no free will to be sinless. But what if there is? What if one in a billion is sinless? Or what if there is free will to be harmless?  Harmless is what you aim for if there is no God.  Sin means something that is against the law of God. 

If there is no way we can live a sinless life, then that is God's fault.  It must be if it is not ours. To worship a God like that is to show that you are not as good as you like people to think. If sin is inevitable, it follows then that God should be merciful and instead of demonising our sins, he should err on the side of caution and suggest that maybe it is not fully our fault.

THE BRIGHT SIDE?

Original sin is too negative. The alleged good side of it is how it can encourage you to overcome your bad side.  But that is only encouraging you to take two steps forward when you could take three.  The doctrine is simply encouraging you to make do with the good instead of the best and to see that you do not have to have a dark side to any degree.
 
Finally
 
Original sin is a slander against humanity that is executed by the Church for the purposes of instilling guilt and fear in people so that it can manipulate them.  

The doctrine of original sin denies that innocent people exist. Thus if you say murder is wrong you cannot say it is because killing innocent people is wrong. You have to find another way.  It is no answer to say even if you have original sin you cannot deserve to be murdered when you have not murdered yourself.  Why? If sinless a has to die or slightly sinful b then b has to die. 

Before you judge a baby as having original sin, remember that everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

Original sin and its implications are full of subliminal evil and could be part of the reason why Christianity has overall been a bad force in history.

APPENDIX: ORIGINAL SIN IS IRREVOCABLE/INFALLIBLE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

Council of Trent, Decree on Original Sin, 1546: “4. If any one denies that infants newly born from their mothers’ wombs, even though they be sprung from baptized parents, are to be baptized; or says that they are baptized indeed for the remission of sins, but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam, which has need of being expiated by the laver of regeneration for the obtaining of life everlasting,—whence it follows as a consequence, that in them the form of baptism, for the remission of sins, is understood to be not true, but false,—let him be anathema. For that which the apostle has said, By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men in whom all have sinned, is not to be understood otherwise than as the Catholic Church spread everywhere hath always understood it. For, by reason of this rule of faith, from a tradition of the apostles, even infants, who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this cause truly baptized for the remission of sins, that in them that may be cleansed away by regeneration, which they have contracted by generation. For, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

COT, Decree on Original Sin, 1546: “2. If any one asserts that the prevarication of Adam injured himself alone and not his posterity, and that the holiness and justice, received of God, which he lost, he lost for himself alone and not for us also; or that he being defiled by the sin of disobedience has only transfused death ‘and pains of the body into the whole human race, but not sin also, which is the death of the soul,’ let him be anathema, whereas he contradicts the apostle who says: ‘By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.’ (Rom. 5:12)”.

Pope St Zosimus, Council of Carthage XVI, Original Sin and Grace, 418: “Canon 3. It has been decided likewise that if anyone says that for this reason the Lord said: ‘In my Father’s house there are many mansions’ [John 14:2]: that it might be understood that in the kingdom of heaven there will be some middle place or some place anywhere else where blessed [beati] infants live who departed from this life without baptism, without which they cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, which is life eternal, let him be anathema. For when the Lord says: ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he shall not enter into the kingdom of God’ (Jn. 3:5), what Catholic will doubt that he will be a partner of the devil who has not deserved to be a coheir of Christ? For he who lacks the right part will without doubt run to the left.” (Denzinger 102, footnote 2.)

Note: Even if today's Catholic Church disagrees that babies are left to be punished forever if they are not baptised, it still acknowledges the right to reinstate that doctrine.  That the babies have no pain or are even happy is put forward only as an opinion.  In fact the disagreement is over-ridden by how the Church's core doctrine is that Tradition cannot err.  The doctrine that unbaptised babies are still happy though they are not in Heaven was invented by St Thomas Aquinas.  A doctrine that allows for sinister implications such as the notion that actually sinning venially is better than having original sin is still bad even if the religion does not tease out the implications correctly.
 
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