Some say all things are part of God’s plan.

Christians say this should not be interpreted as saying that God agrees with all that happens.

They say there is God’s good will where he works for and makes only good.  God only produces good. 

And also that there is his permissive will. That is, “Creatures need free will respected and as their God, it is my gift to them so I have to let them do bad things. I could stop them but I will not. I know I can turn it to a good. That is why I stop some evils and not others.” Religion says God only permits evil to happen and that he cannot produce evil. Permitting is not producing.

This is, "I will stop it but not right now". Human nature needs to make rationalisations and excuses so they swallow that. It is not a nice trait. Doctrines like that could rise from that tendency. It is not that they are not true. True or not, we are validating them with a personality flaw we all share.

Translating that we find it is saying, “God, I only tolerate your power to do evil when I can find or imagine a good to come from it.” So much then for respecting free will or God. Selective respect for free will is not respect for free will.

Another thing that happens with sin-talk, is the focus is put on your intention first and foremost and not so much on the damage. A system that makes that much of your intention, to slam your bad ones means your good ones will be as affirmed as they are slammed, is feeding your ego. The arrogant person regards their intentions too highly. The road to destruction especially for those depending on you is paved with good intentions or overrated intentions.

Back to God. The excuse is that Hitler was allowed to do so much evil as free will must not be limited and it is his choice. That is us making out his intention was that important! By extension it shows what we think of our own!

Back to God's good plan. Is he putting something into our evil choice to make it turn to good in time? If he has that much control over our choice then he is not so innocent after all. He is a producer not just a being that permits.  He makes our choice into a lie that we tell to ourselves that it is all us and not him.

Is God working on our evil externally? To do that he has to handle the aftermath. God or not, consequences for doing wrong or doing wanton and severe harm can be slight or severe or you can mistake what happens after you do x for a result when it might be a coincidence. He has to be the reason expected bad consequences will take place. And he has to be the reason things change for the better. This takes responsibility away from us. So if I kill John and break his daughter's heart that would be me causing that. But if God is the master of the outcome this is not true. It is like how I cannot be blamed for her heartbreak if somebody gives her some kind of pill to make her sad. I would expect her to be sad but that is not enough to blame me.

All who worry about free will and sins and stuff are really trying to make us see ourselves as accountable for what we do. Responsibility is the real goal of such thinkers. But God robs you of it and nobody takes responsibility for lying to you that he does not rob you. Belief in God robs you if there is no God for you think there is so in a sense it becomes true for you. 

Anyway God has to start working on us as we are resisting him but that would entail him being manipulative. If you are attached to your evil then he is making you think you are holding on to it when you are in fact loosening your grip on it for he is tampering. He has to speak to your evil side to do this in a sense. “I will not give back the money I stole but I will give the victim €5 just to show him I can do that with his money.” So he has to get you to do a bad thing intentionally but which is not as bad as what you would be doing if he were not involved. He tempts you to pick a lesser sin. This is to wean you off what you did. You cannot wean a person off evil with evil. All you do is make them more presentable.

Christians have a very weak response to all we have learned. They warn that God is not causing an evil or encouraging us to harm so that he can use it for a greater good. They say that would be the evil of the “end justifies the means”.  That is telling us we are wrong to shut us up instead of telling us why we are supposed to be wrong.

In life the God teachings make two demands. One that you trust all the bad things that just happen to you and the bad things that people do to you to be in the hands of God. Good will come.

Better might come but not good. Don’t hold your breath on God being anything special.

Terrible pain for a moment is nothing but if it keeps coming back every two minutes then we are in trouble and in time we can be referred to as suffering. Suffering involves pain as in a pattern. It is a collection of evils. We know we are scarred by its memory and fear it coming back.
Some point out that the religious proposition that evil is a malfunction, mistake or a thinking error for God has nothing to do with evil and only makes good seems insulting in the face of huge evil such as the Holocaust and mass rape and so on. They do not know how to explain what evil is and are saying it is something we all perceive when terrible things happen. The mistake and malfunction thing are not then evil but point to its presence. It is about experience rather than anything else. Something ethereal tells you evil is there when you see some tyrant killing millions. If the idea of evil is that vague and that influenced by the subjective then religion cannot cure it for it is like trying to deal with a disease that nobody is able to say anything about clearly. It cannot be done.

The understanding that evil is a fall from God or exclusion of God’s love of letting him show that love is also inadequate. It really just goes back to malfunction and mistake. If God is stronger and bigger than evil then the malfunction and mistake line of thinking is strengthened. It is a divine person using his mind and resources against a malfunction. There is no comparison between God and evil/sin. Think on the implications of this. Some sense in you picks up evil and it is not about a God. Divorcing or separating God and evil shows you don't need God to give moral bans on evil a basis. If God and evil means that you refute the problem of evil. That problem alleges that God is in control of evil and he makes it suit his good plan. The failure of the problem of evil means evil and God do not agree and if one exists the other does not.


The notion that God allows evil to happen but not as in command or as in producing it is rife with contradictions.  God could be putting some flaw in our evil choice so that we stupidly don’t see that it is going to go wrong and good will prevail. And he could be working from outside. Either way he has to be evil himself too. He is a partner in the evil  and in fact the main one for he creates all of you 100% from nothing.

Religion cannot justify belief in a good God but only one that is better than us it seems! And that better is no compliment.


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