ELECTING THE TRUE POPE IF YOU THINK
THE VATICAN IS NO LONGER DIVINELY AUTHORISED
If traditionalist Catholics are to be believed there could be a lot of accuracy in the following. I comment at the end of the page.
Pope John Paul II was not the first pope to let heresy thrive and to be blind to
the truth. Pope John XXII taught heresy. St Peter taught heresy by his actions.
All popes sin and all sin is teaching heresy in your sinful way of life. We
believe the promise of Christ that the gates of Hell will not prevail over the
Church and the papacy so he is a true pope. If it were not for this, we would be
able to say his papacy was questionable.
Paul VI signed the dangerous documents of Vatican II and taught error in the
Church. This does not refute papal infallibility for this charism was not used.
The office of the pope is distinct from the person of the pope. That is why the
idea that a heretic cannot become a valid pope or is a pope we can safely ignore
in all things is dangerous. True the pope need not be a Catholic but it is
visibility that God is concerned about. Divine providence makes sure that good
and evil work together for the greater good and in the same way divine
providence is able to make sure that bad popes, insincere popes and good popes
don’t thwart God’s plan. God protecting the pope from making an infallible
doctrine that is false is no different from God making sure that evil never
wins. Certainly some popes are so evil that they would try but God has his ways
of not letting them win. God lets the popes err and cause schism and
excommunicate unjustly. He lets them harm the faith by inactivity or even hatred
of the faith. But he never lets them stand up as supreme teacher and teach
infallibly any doctrine that isn’t true. The pope exists for the faith and not
the faith for the pope.
The view that the Vatican II popes are not popes cannot be proven. The rule of
Pope Paul IV that the election of a heretic as pope is an invalid election even
if the pope is accepted by the whole Church denies that if the pope is invalidly
elected that he still becomes a real pope by the Church accepting him. You need
a canonical court to prove that the pope was a heretic before election and was
unrepentant at the time of election before you can declare the pope to have been
invalidly elected. The pope can be a heretic before election and repent and be
validly pope and then attach himself to heresy after his election again. In such
a case, the election would be valid. The rule never said that God would let the
whole Church be fooled by a fake pope but only what would have to be done if it
happened. It’s hypothetical for this pope believed that the gates of hell would
never prevail over the Church by allowing a fake pope who was not the real
teacher and father of all Christians which the pope is to govern the whole
Church.
Popes made by visions are not real popes. Miracles and visions are not equal to
the authority of the Church for the Church has to decide if they are worthy of
belief and even then she only permits belief in them and doesn’t condemn people
for not believing in them.
Popes such as Michael I, Linus II and Pius XIII are not popes for their reasons
for saying the Vatican II Popes are antipopes are inconclusive. Also the whole
Church accepted John XXIII who they think was a heretic as a real pope. Nobody
questioned his papacy. When he was accepted by the whole Church he was the true
pope.
CAN WE DEPOSE A HERETICAL POPE
The Roman Catholic Church is the one true visible Church of Jesus Christ led by
a visible head on earth. It follows then that if Christ’s promise that the gates
of hell will never prevail over the Church is true then no authority on earth
has the right to depose the pope. The pope is chosen by God who often chooses
bad popes because they are the best under the circumstances. Another reason is
that if you admit that deposing popes is right you must agree that the proper
grounds is when the pope becomes a heretic. If you can depose a pope for bad
behaviour then no pope is safe and unity will be torn apart. Everybody sins and
everybody has their little heresies. All error is a heresy and we all err.
It is possible for a pope to be a fake Catholic. Just as a king might not be the
son of his father the king and have no right to be king, if he becomes king we
must obey him so it is God’s will that we obey a pope who isn’t even a true
Catholic. God is still in control and will be able to handle that pope.
To liberal Catholics, the vast majority, most popes have been heretical for not
being liberals. If you admit that deposing popes is right what happens is that
liberals and conservatives who often consider each other to be heretics could
declare the pope a heretic and try and remove him.
Nevertheless the election of heretical popes must be prevented.
THE SOLUTION
A real Catholic must sit on the chair of Peter as pope. The Church is
riddled with anti-Catholic heresy posing as Catholicism. Many prelates are
not believers. The Vatican is not exempt from this apostasy. Errors
are now official teaching since Vatican II.
These are the rules that are required for this to be possible.
The Vatican must be given warnings about its heresies and invited to recant. If
it does not, then a declaration must be made that the Vatican no longer has
authority to choose a pope and the true Catholics will hold a papal election in
opposition to the Vatican election. This declaration is supported by the 1917
Canon Law and the New Code of Canon Law which state that only Catholics can
elect the pope.
It is essential then that if we want to be free of Conciliar heresy we must warn
the Cardinals of the next or subsequent papal conclave of the heresies. If they
do not sign the abjuration of the heresies they excommunicate themselves and
lose the power to elect the pope. The pope they elect will be an impostor. The
ecclesiastics who warn the cardinals must declare them excommunicated under
canon law and divine law and declare that it is now their job to execute canon
law. Canon law alone can preserve the visibility of the Church for law is for
looking after visibility – even civil law considers a man and woman validly
married until proof to the contrary comes up for it wants order.
1. An extraordinary decree of excommunication must be levied against the
conclave in the Vatican.
2. The Cardinals must be invited to convert to Catholicism and participate in
the election of the new pope. If they do not, then the Church has the right to
proceed with its own election.
3. The papal election must be held during an interregnum, when the previous pope
is dead and before the Vatican elects a new pope. The Vatican pope will be
excommunicated and the true pope proclaimed the head of the Church. This is to
prevent any doubt.
4. The Vatican II popes are heretics, but we have no proof that they are aware
of this, so they must be considered to be true popes. Their teachings must be
tested and not accepted on authority. If the current pope contradicts a previous
pope the previous pope must be obeyed in matters pertaining to dogma and
morality.
5. The election should only take place if a bishop is available to consecrate
the new pope as priest or bishop or both. Because of the possibility that only
bishops can pass on the sacrament of holy orders the Lord will not choose a true
pope without the possibility of the pope having a consecration as a bishop.
6. If in the absence of cardinals to elect the pope, we have no choice but to
revert to the traditional practice of the Church in which the orthodox Catholics
of the diocese of Rome chose and proclaimed their pope. So no conclave can take
place until a number of such Catholics willing to elect the pope are found. If
they don’t wish to elect the pope they can legally delegate their right to the
prelates performing the excommunication. Then the electors must assemble in a
new conclave. The true pope preferably then should be elected in Rome.
If the cardinals fall away then the next highest officers in the Church must do
their job. Lay elections and priestly ones are dangerous for it will only result
in a number of conclaves and chaos. But whoever is elected pope the way we
advise will be the true pope. It is advisable that the conclave elect the pope
before the Vatican does for the sake of the faithful. The pope will be
canonically elected and therefore the true pope. From that point on the
Conciliar Church will be in a state of visible Schism from the Roman Catholic
Church. The men who may become pope must first take an oath to restore the
traditions of the Church and bring back a form of Mass and liturgy that is more
in keeping with the Catholic faith. Legal proceedings should then be undertaken
to have the Conciliar Church legally identified in the secular world as a false
Catholic sect and not as the successor of the Roman Catholic Church.
The view that it is not up to us to decide if the Church is heretical but up to
Church courts to decide that is foolish. You can treat a person as a murderer
just because you know the person is a murderer though no court has been held. A
heretical Church might refuse to let its heresy be brought to trial. Canon law
is based on divine law which comes first.
MY COMMENT: This shows that no matter how firm Catholicism claims to be that the pope is the rock the Church is built on and that the faith is a rock in practice there are loads of loopholes for schism.