EVIL AS IN EXPERIENCE SAYS IT CANNOT BE TALKED ABOUT BUT ONLY TASTED AND THEREBY KNOWN

Evil may as well be pure evil for it is possible to experience evil as real. And nobody has the right not even God to tell you this experience is wrong.   Faith is about trying to refute or diminish or ignore this experience and yet believers have the audacity to claim that religious experience gives good grounds for faith and religion.  A faith that says evil is not real but only the absence of a good that is not there is telling the suffering person they are deluded and failing to open their eyes. 

Pay no attention to how religion despite this seems to treat evil as real.  It may be incoherent but it is still erasing the existential experience of those who say evil is real.  It is erasing those people for their experience is a huge part of them and their life at this time.
 
The free will defence alleges that God gave us free will so that we could love for love is voluntary and we abused it so evil is our fault not his. God himself falls short of the good that the free will defence says is so valuable. He has not made himself what he is. He didn't choose to be imperfect for he cannot fail for he is all-powerful and all-knowing. The free will defence says he is right to allow evil so that we will make ourselves good of our own efforts. But he cannot change from what he is and has never sacrificed to be good. So God then by definition is evil and evil reigns and the good we see is a form of evil.

It is not good to accuse us of making evil in the world in order to prop up your God theory.

Some say that because there should be nothing as there is no need for anything to exist that in this sense existence is evil for it should not be happening. Does this view imply that good is a falling short of evil and that there is no good in anything existing and nothing we do is good? Evil would be more powerful than good for our existence is illogical and should not be. This would automatically destroy the doctrine of a good God at a stroke. If existence is evil then it is more appropriate to describe good as the absence of evil for the evil power of existence reigns supreme.

Is good merely the non-existence of evil or is evil merely the absence of good? Suppose the question makes sense. Then the only hope we would have of knowing which is the real thing and which is the unreal is by working out what is the supreme power. Evil is supreme so good is merely the absence of evil if there is any horse sense in the question. Also good cannot be just the absence of evil and evil cannot just be the absence of good for that would mean they were two absences but then we are saying there is nothing real to either. Evil cannot be the mere absence of good if good is not real so one of them is real and the other is not.
If evil is a falling short of good then that is to say that good is the norm and evil is parasitic on good so evil is abnormal. If evil is merely a falling short of good then it follows that good has to exist before evil can exist. Why? For if good does not exist before evil exists how can evil fall short of it? But suppose there was nothing. Good and evil would still exist. In many ways it is good for there to be nothing at all. In many ways this is bad as well. But how can this evil exist though if there is nothing then good cannot exist before evil? So there is no before for there is just nothing. Good cannot exist before evil for there is nothing and therefore no before. Does this suggest that good and evil are in your imagination? Yes if you believe that evil is not a power but a negative. If so then good and evil are not real. Or there is another suggestion. That is that because good needs to be there for evil to fall short of it, this good that exists when there is absolutely nothing is really evil for it doesn't let that happen. In such a case, evil would be the supreme power with good being the exception meaning that good was a falling short of evil. Evil would not be non-being or a non-power. It would not be mere misplaced good. It would be the standard. If evil is the dominant power then we must judge good people as being really bad people with ulterior motives. Also, our good deeds would ultimately result in evil.

The kalam argument is considered to be a strong opening to the possibility that there is a God.  It says that which begins to exist has a cause.  The argument is needed to indicate a possible moral God but then it is a lie.  So if you need a lie to direct people to god  Similarly, in the Kalam Argument, in Premise 1, the phrase ‘Begins to Exist’ means that particles that already exist are being rearranged. But in Premise 2, the phrase ‘Begins to Exist’ means that particles that didn’t already exist are created out of not

If evil is real and a force and a property like the oclour red then this means that you see someting not that you thnk is real but experince as real. YOu don't want to do this thus you will avoid sayng evil is real. its co,plusion again
 

 
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