RELIGION AND KILLING THOSE WHO WON'T CONVERT

A religion claims to be the only correct religion, or the only religion with the power of infallibility or the truest religion among many.
 
Should the true believer in the religion kill anybody who won’t submit to it and become a member?
 
God religion says that God would do infinite good to you if he could therefore we owe him infinite love and that makes sin and infinite injustice that deserves endless punishment. Sin is a worse evil than famine or death for if the latter were worse the Lord would not be sending them.  He would not let them happen.
 
The devotees of good Gods must kill, if they can’t incarcerate, anyone who leads others into sin when sin is the worst evil. Better to sin and kill someone than to cause more sin by letting him live but then it would not be a sin anyway. Though it is true that one sin is as bad as infinite sins for all sin is infinite and equal God would allow a sin for stopping sin on the basis of the damage it does. God would be most unreasonable – he would be the Devil – if he frowned on you for this.
 
If the killing is wrong, hypothetically then we must intend to kill a person if we know it will stop more sin. It would not be a sin for us then. Even if it were, it would still be the right thing to do hypothetically. God makes us evil on the hypothetical level. That is a certainty.
 
Religion says that if in principle it is right to kill a person to stop them leading others into serious sin, it is wrong to do this because the sinner can change. Even if you accept that thought, it would follow that if you knew the sinner wouldn’t change you would kill them. You are still a murderer in your heart. Fanaticism is still part of your faith. You cannot complain too much if somebody goes all the way and starts murdering heretics.
 
A blood-drinking religion cannot make the threat to pull the trigger unless it carries it out for people will not be frightened by it. It will only be able to do it when there is a secret Final Solution extermination program being carried out like under the Nazis.
 
When Roman Catholicism and many other faiths murder people by ordering them to die over blind faith (for example, Rome forbids direct abortion even when it is the only way to save the mother) it is perfectly right to kill people who preach things contrary to her doctrine especially if it is only way to shut them up.
 
The Catholic Church should be fanatical if it is the right Church. It is sinning if it is not fanatical. Even if logic did not tell her and us that the pope’s slaves should murder, if it is the right religion we have other ways of knowing that the end justifies the means for the catholic hierarchy. It commands martyrdom for religious guesses so there is nothing that is too bad for it to do. Its only law is, “Don’t get caught out” and that message is only for the schemers who would foist religion upon us.
 
Every religion has to believe that faith in the true creed comes before life and limb. Religion testifies of mystery. These are truths that look silly and contradictory to us such as one God being three people. And since reason is not much help if religious faith is true, you are really degrading your mind and your body by having anything to do with it. You are harming yourself even if it does not feel like harm. If it is right to twist your mind then it is right to suffer for religion. It makes no sense to say that only little amounts of suffering over religion are allowed. Where can the line be logically drawn? Advantages can often be brought out of suffering. So, since faith comes first in Christian doctrine, it is sinful to let a heretic or a mere unbeliever live. If you let that person live and cannot convert her or him you are willing that person to err. You are willing error and that is as bad as becoming an apostate from the faith. Therefore to avoid this sin you have to kill the unbeliever.
 
Another reason that murdering a heretic or sceptic is the best solution if there is a God is that their unbelief is forcing you to blaspheme God by letting them blaspheme by letting error go on. They might not know it is blasphemy but you do so they are causing you to sin. Blasphemy would be worse than murder for it involves totally rejecting God and telling him that he should not be praised for giving life to all. It is wishing that nobody should live. God would prefer the person who took a life.
 
God says we must love him alone so murder is not wrong for it harms a person but because God hates it. At least when you kill a person you are showing yourselves up and harming yourself but when you curse God in your heart you are being more devious for you have a better chance of getting away with it and are ensuring that you will get away with it in many ways. So murder is the best and holiest option.
 
What about the argument, “Where there is life there is hope so religion has to put them in jail to prevent them speaking against her teaching. Killing them would be preventing their conversion. The trigger is to be pulled only when it is the only way to stop them preaching heresy.”
 
Accepting or rejecting the argument depends on whether you believe that morality is doing what has the best results or that morality is just a collection of rules that have no concern for consequences. Christianity says that truth is more sacred than life. Such a view certainly implies that you have to kill the person. We live in a godless world so it follows that murder is the best answer for it is not likely for anybody to repent and accept your creed. Religion advocates moral rules that must be kept regardless of the harm the rules do. For example, condoms would still be banned by the Catholic Church if they were the only way to stop nearly all the human race dying of AIDS.
 
Religion, is in its substance, intolerant of those who will not obey it or join it.  When its actions are tolerant its heart is not. 
 
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