Fathers were silent on the details of Jesus' life
What documents would be next in importance to the New Testament? Obviously, the
next oldest related writings. These are the apostolic Fathers, that is, the
fathers of the Church who supposedly learned from the apostles. Christians say
that Jesus is likely to have existed when the Apostolic Fathers say he did
exist.
The Fathers tell us so little about him that he could easily have been an
invention. It is not enough for them to say they believe or know that Jesus was
a real person and not a fake.
Clement say that Jesus died a bloody death and rose again. He was sent by God
and sent the apostles to preach his message after their doubts had been cured by
his return from the dead. He quotes Jesus saying that it is better to be
murdered than to lead a person into sin.
He doesn’t say if the apostles saw the resurrected Lord or even when Jesus
lived. His Jesus could have been a being who was crucified by demons in the
distant past and rose sometime since then and who appeared to somebody in a
dream who converted the apostles later for all we know. His Jesus could have
been a dream.
Ignatius said that Jesus was born of Mary (Ephesians 7), baptised (18), sinless
(Magnesians 7) and was God.
He says that he wants “you to be unshakably convinced of the Birth, the Passion,
and the Resurrection which were the true and indisputable experiences of Jesus
Christ, our Hope, in the days of Pontius Pilate’s governorship” (Magnesians 11).
This is very important for it is the testimony of a Christian who was likely to
have known the apostle John that Jesus Christ was born of Mary and died and rose
when Pilate was Procurator. This period is from 26-36 AD! Was Jesus only ten
years old when he was killed? This would prove the gospels to be sheer fantasy.
If one takes the unwarranted view that Ignatius structured the sentence badly
and meant that Jesus suffered and rose and was not born in Pilate’s time, then
one can just as easily say that he meant that Jesus was not born and did not
suffer in Pilate’s day. He only rose in it. Indeed because the resurrection was
nearest to the Pilate mention it is clear that it must have been what was meant,
if you wish to use that road. The text then would deny that Jesus was born and
died in the reign of Pilate.
Also, the evidence for the birth and death and resurrection of Jesus is said to
provide unshakeable conviction. Why? Because they are the experiences of Jesus
Christ. Clearly this indicates that Jesus revealed these events after they
happened. They happened and are evidenced not by testimonies or gospels but are
evidenced by the witness of the resurrected Jesus. In other words, nobody heard
of them until Jesus started speaking of them in visions. This supports the
hypothesis that Jesus never lived. You will not get unshakeable conviction from
evidence for it is a human thing and nobody sees everything the same way.
Evidence can lead you in the wrong direction. The Church says that though
Ignatius feels that you are certain of the birth, death and resurrection of
Jesus because of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit through whom Jesus testifies
to you, he did not exclude the methods of finding the truth by examining
testimonies and reports of Jesus. He does. If you get an unshakeable conviction
through turning to God what would you need anything else for? It would imply
doubt.
In addition, Ignatius wrote, “To profess Jesus Christ while continuing to follow
Jewish customs is an absurdity” (Magnesians 10). The early Church on the
contrary held that it could keep as much of the Jewish law as it wanted. Some,
including myself believe that there is no evidence that the early Church shelved
the rules of the Jewish Law but they did teach that the Law was good but not a
Law anymore for Christians for they don’t have to be forced to obey it though
they should obey it. Ignatius was contradicting the New Testament and the
gospels in what he said. He denied the Jesus of the gospels.
The Epistle to the Smyrnaeans (1) says that Christ was born of the virgin and
was baptised by John and then “in the days of Pontius Pilate and Herod the
Tetrarch” was crucified. This seems to give the impression that Jesus was born
and baptised before their taking office. But Jesus according to the gospels must
have been baptised when Pilate was Procurator (Luke 3:1). He gives a quote from
Jesus saying touch me for I am not a spirit that seems to have been plucked from
Luke 24:39. But Luke says more than that. There Jesus says touch me and see that
I am not a spirit for a spirit does not have flesh and bones like I have. Had
Ignatius known Luke he would have quoted it completely for it was believed that
spirits could be touched after they materialise themselves so the author of Luke
had to go and say they felt flesh and bones to make it seem more real. His logic
was that it was better to feel flesh and bone and not just flesh alone. The
apostles thought that Jesus was a ghost and ghosts can give the illusion of
being touched. Luke looks like an improvement on Ignatius’ assertion meaning
that Luke was written by a follower of Ignatius. The absurdity of Jesus’
declaration that being touchable meant he could not be a ghost shows that the
risen Jesus could not be trusted.
Smyraeans (3) tells us that Jesus was resurrected and was still like any natural
man. This can agree with Jesus being a child when he died for man meant women
and children as well as men. The Catholic creed says: “for us men and for our
salvation he came down from Heaven.”
The first century Epistle to Diognetus simply says that Jesus was the sinless
Saviour who taught his apostles the Gospel in the plainest language (11). This
contradicts the gospel of John where the apostles complain about Jesus not
speaking plainly. There is a lot of vague talk even in the synoptics, that is
the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke. And Jesus even said once that he hid his
teaching in parables to keep their meaning from the people. Diognetus is proving
that John’s gospel is a hoax and the same about the other gospels. It also
denies that the Jewish regulations in the Torah were literal though Jesus
observed them and took them literally which shows it knows nothing of the Jesus
of the gospels and which makes his existence improbable. It even undermines the
visions of the risen Jesus to the apostles which supported the Law which may
mean that it is accusing the apostles of not reporting what the risen Jesus said
accurately. And it is older than the gospels so its word comes first.
Barnabas from the first century mentions the miracle power, death and
resurrection of but goes into no detail. Judging by the silliness of his letter
it is obvious that his standard of what a miraculous wonder would be would be
rather low just like many of those who write into the appalling St. Martin’s
Magazine to say what “miracles” he did for them have.
Epiphanius of Salamis who died in 403 CE in his Panarion
29:3 wrote, "For with the advent of the Christ, the succession of the princes
from Judah, who reigned until the Christ Himself, ceased. The order [of
succession] failed and stopped at the time when He was born in Bethlehem of
Judea, in the days of Alexander, who was of high-priestly and royal race; and
after this Alexander this lot failed, from the times of himself and Salina, who
is also called Alexandra, for the times of Herod the King and Augustus Emperor
of the Romans." Some say it puts Jesus long before the time the gospels
say he lived. Christians say it does not and just needs punctuation.
The truth is nobody knows ... But it looks like something Epiphanius took from
another source and did not proof right and it looks like that something did not
date Jesus in the first century.
The apostolic Fathers provide no convincing evidence for Jesus being a
historical reality. They often contradict the Gospels which shows that either
they knew nothing about them or did not recognise them as having any authority.
They say nothing about Jesus apart from some things as if he were almost a
stranger or obscure. They say nothing in the way of evidence and depend only on
hearsay.