GOSPA or OUR LADY OF MEDJUGORJE IF SHE'S FOR REAL IS EITHER DRUNK OR INSANE

The Virgin Mary is allegedly appearing at Medjugorje.  When you look at the messages you suspect that it is a hoax or a stupid ghost that is appearing.  No wonder the Vatican has decided she has probably not set foot there since 1981.  But the vision reports go on and on.

At the end of nearly every message the Virgin thanks the children who "witness" her for having responded to her previous calls. The Blessed Virgin does not owe us a debt of thanks for the Christian religion states that all our responses to God are gifts from God and to God alone belongs the thanks and the praise. It is all God’s work. God does not say thanks for God gives you the rewards and blessings you deserve. That is much better for you will feel smug when congratulated by a heavenly visitor but if the visitor shows it in action and gives you blessings that will prevent you becoming self-conceited. God’s gifts always make you humbler.
 
And besides, the Church never recognises apparitions as authentic when the messages glorify the seer or seers. The Virgin is telling the children that they have responded well to her previous messages when she thanks them. She often asks them to love God above all things and in the next message she thanks them for their responding to it. She is declaring them virtuous and saintly while even the most ardent supporters of Medjugorje admit that the visionaries have told lies and did wrong things and may be too fond of material pleasures.

Fr Tomislav Vlasic wrote a booklet called Our Lady, Queen of Peace, Queen of Apostles, in which Mary says that fasting on bread and water is essential and that eating fish instead of meat is not fasting (7). She contradicts Catholic tradition in this. She is heretically declaring herself superior to the magisterium of the Church which is above apparitions. But she is right all the same.
 
[In Medjugorje, Facts, Documents and Theology page 163 "Fast strictly on Wednesday and Friday." Mary supposedly said this on 14 August 1984. That is actually too much fasting. It makes no sense.]
 
She said that a visible miracle would be left as a sign for the Atheists on the hill of the first vision (10). The sign would be given to convert them but Jelena, who is not one of the six but an approved seer who hears voices and who had the sanction of the Virgin in her appearances to her said that when the sign comes it would be too late for unbelievers to repent and be converted (page 340-341, Words from Heaven). The Virgin said that the world had to be told to hurry up and repent before God starts taking revenge. This is a prophecy that the whole world would be able to hear this message but it hasn’t happened.
 
Vlasic speaks of the word MIR, peace being written in the sky and about the different visions people saw on August 2, 1981 in which the sun came out of the sky and angels and crosses appeared inside it. A real miracle would have them seeing the same thing. It is interesting that this imitates the miracle of the sun of the bogus apparition of Fatima. Vlasic saw the cross on the mountain disappear and a white shape like Mary appear in its place (11). Vlasic was anything but a reliable witness. The Lady says that mixed marriages are bad for there can be difficulties and Christian education for the children will be neglected (13). Why does she say this for the difficulties can be avoided with maturity? She can’t give anybody good advice. The messages she gives instead are often vague, always boring and it is undeniable any eleven year old could make them up. The banality of the messages is why many Catholics cannot believe that this is the mother of God.
 
And they are right.
 
BOOKS CONSULTED

“I BEG YOU: LISTEN TO MY MESSAGES AND LIVE THEM,” Padraic Dunne, published privately, Drogheda, County Louth, 1992
BIBLICAL EXEGESIS AND CHURCH DOCTRINE, Raymond E Brown, Paulist Press, New York, 1985
LOOKING FOR A MIRACLE, Joe Nickell, Prometheus Books, New York, 1993
MEDJUGORJE, David Baldwin, Catholic Truth Society, London, 2002
MEDJUGORJE HERALD, Vol 13, No 2, Feb 1999, Galway, Ireland
MEDJUGORJE, A TIME FOR TRUTH AND A TIME FOR ACTION, Denis Nolan
MEDJUGORJE, FACTS DOCUMENTS THEOLOGY, Fr Michael O Carroll, Veritas, Dublin, 1986
OUR LADY QUEEN OF PEACE, Tomislav Vlasic OFM, published by Peter Batty, East Sussex, 1984
POWERS OF DARKNESS, POWERS OF LIGHT, John Cornwell, Penguin, London, 1992
QUEEN OF PEACE (Newspaper), Fall, 1995, Pittsburgh Center for Peace
SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL STUDIES ON THE APPARITIONS AT MEDJUGORJE Rene Laurentin and Henri Joyeux, Veritas, Dublin, 1987.
ST JOHN’S BULLETIN, Medjugorje by Br Michael of the Holy Trinity, Society of St Pius X, October-December 1992, no 32, Dublin
THE APPARITIONS OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY TODAY, Rene Laurentin, Veritas, Dublin 1990
THE HIDDEN SIDE OF MEDJUGORJE, Fr Ivo Sivric, Ed. Psilog, Saint Francios Du Lac, Quebec, 1989.
THE THUNDER OF JUSTICE, Ted and Maureen Flynn, MAXCOL, Vancouver, 1993
UNDERSTANDING MEDJUGORJE, HEAVENLY VISIONS OR RELIGIOUS ILLUSION? Donal Anthony Foley, Theotokos Books, Nottingham, 2006
VISIONS OF THE CHILDREN, Janice T Connell, St Martin’s Press, New York, 1992
WORDS FROM HEAVEN, Anonymous, Caritas of Birmingham, Sterrett, Alabama, 1996

The following books are available from Militia Immaculatae Trust, 35 New Bond Street, Leicester.

CRITERIA FOR DISCERNING APPARITIONS REGARDING THE EVENTS OF MEDJUGORJE by Monsignor Peric.
MEDJUGORJE – AFTER FIFTEEN YEARS, Michael Davies, Remnant Press, Minnesota, 1998.
MEDJUGORJE THE UNTOLD STORY, E Michael Jones Fidelity Press, 206 Marquette Ave, South Bend Indiana 46617, 1998.
MEDJUGORJE, Bishop Zanic, Mostar, 1990.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND MEDJUGORJE by Michael Mazza.
THE MEDJUGORJE DECEPTION, E Michael Jones, Fidelity Press, Indiana, 1998.
TWENTY QUESTIONS ABOUT MEDJUGORJE, Kevin Orlin Johnson, Ph.D. Pangaeus Press, Dallas, 1999.

THE WEB

CHRISTIAN REFUTATION OF MEDJUGORJE
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0079a.html
 
CRITIQUE: POEM OF THE MAN-GOD
http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/critique.htm

SCIENTIFIC STUDIES DONE ON THE VISIONARIES OF MEDJUGORJE – 1998 SCIENTIFIC STUDY ON THE VISIONARIES
www.childrenofmedjugorje.com/medj/research.htm

THE WANDERER by Paul Likoudis, 1998
www.unitypublishing.com/wanderer.html
 
Unity Publishing has pictures allegedly proving that the messages from Mary are being made up by the priests and that the visions are hoaxes. Ivan was snapped acting as if he was guarding the door while the priest and a visionary were inventing the message. This is however is a pro-Catholic site.
 
AN OVERVIEW OF THE MEDICAL AND SCIENTIFIC TESTING OF VISIONARY NANCY FOWLER CONYERS GEORGIA
http://members.aol.com/bbu84/biblicalstupidity/science.htm#10

DISCERNMENT AND SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF VISIONARIES FROM THE MEDJUGORJE STAR
http://members.aol.com/bbu84/biblicalstupidity/study.htm#11

Videos
VISIONS ON DEMAND, Network 5 International, 1997
DIVINE OR DECEIVED? COVER-UP, Network 5 International, 1998
Contact:
Network 5 International
PO Box 51
Liverpool
L69 3EE
UNDERSTANDING MEDJUGORJE, HEAVENLY VISIONS OR RELIGIOUS ILLUSION? Donal Anthony Foley, Theotokos Books, Nottingham, 2006
To Order Understanding Medjugorje visit http://www.theotokos.org.uk or write to Theotokos Books, PO Box, 8570, Nottingham, England
 
THE WEB

The Most Dangerous False Apparition in the World
www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/Garabandal2.html

False Visions Which Followed Knock
www.theotokos.org.uk

Critique: “Poem of the Man-God” Medugorje’s Gospel by Brother James,
http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/critique.htm

Saints Preserve Us!
www.forteantimes.com/articles/159_saintspreserved.shtml
 
PRIVATE REVELATION: UNRAVELLING MEDJUGORJE by Carey Winters
www.geocities.com/militantis/medjugorje.html
This excellent site outlines the errors of famous Catholic visionaries such as Anne Catherine Emmerich and Marie de Agreda which they said their visions told them. But it puts these errors down to the visionaries misunderstanding. This excuse itself accuses God of being slack! It points out that when Satan speaks, in the experience of the Church, he states 99% of the truth that God has revealed and 1 % untruth because every little error helps his cause. In the Church’s experience, that is the way it seems to be which means Carey and the Church should not be accepting the visions of Emmerich and Agreda. The former stated that there was a terrestrial paradise near Tibet and the pseudo-Dionysus writings are authentic though they are universally recognised as heretical forgeries advocating a Hindu piety. Thus she fell into heresy. Her miracles defended those errors. Agreda insisted that all must believe her writings which in Church doctrine can only be said of sacred scripture and the infallible dogmas of the Church. Nostradamus claimed that his revelations were given to him by the creator God. Like Agreda he claimed to be the producer of new scripture and was a heretic. The site examines the proof that the apparitions of the Queen of Peace in Medjugorje are not from God at all.