GOSPA - OUR LADY OF MEDJUGORJE IF SHE'S FOR REAL IS EITHER DRUNK OR INSANE
The Virgin Mary is allegedly appearing at Medjugorje. When you look at the messages you suspect that it is a hoax or a stupid ghost that is appearing. No wonder the Vatican has decided she has probably not set foot there since 1981. But the vision reports go on and on.
At the end of nearly every message the Virgin thanks the children
who "witness" her for having
responded to her previous calls. The Blessed Virgin does not owe us a debt of
thanks for the Christian religion states that all our responses to God are gifts
from God and to God alone belongs the thanks and the praise. It is all God’s
work. God does not say thanks for God gives you the rewards and blessings you
deserve. That is much better for you will feel smug when congratulated by a
heavenly visitor but if the visitor shows it in action and gives you blessings
that will prevent you becoming self-conceited. God’s gifts always make you
humbler.
And besides, the Church never recognises apparitions as authentic when the
messages glorify the seer or seers. The Virgin is telling the children that they
have responded well to her previous messages when she thanks them. She often
asks them to love God above all things and in the next message she thanks them
for their responding to it. She is declaring them virtuous and saintly while
even the most ardent supporters of Medjugorje admit that the visionaries have
told lies and did wrong things and may be too fond of material pleasures.
Fr Tomislav Vlasic wrote a booklet called Our Lady, Queen of Peace, Queen of
Apostles, in which Mary says that fasting on bread and water is essential and
that eating fish instead of meat is not fasting (7). She contradicts Catholic
tradition in this. She is heretically declaring herself superior to the
magisterium of the Church which is above apparitions. But she is right all the
same.
[In Medjugorje, Facts, Documents and Theology page 163 "Fast strictly on
Wednesday and Friday." Mary supposedly said this on 14 August 1984. That is
actually too much fasting. It makes no sense.]
She said that a visible miracle would be left as a sign for the Atheists on the
hill of the first vision (10). The sign would be given to convert them but
Jelena, who is not one of the six but an approved seer who hears voices and who
had the sanction of the Virgin in her appearances to her said that when the sign
comes it would be too late for unbelievers to repent and be converted (page
340-341, Words from Heaven). The Virgin said that the world had to be told to
hurry up and repent before God starts taking revenge. This is a prophecy that
the whole world would be able to hear this message but it hasn’t happened.
Vlasic speaks of the word MIR, peace being written in the sky and about the
different visions people saw on August 2, 1981 in which the sun came out of the
sky and angels and crosses appeared inside it. A real miracle would have them
seeing the same thing. It is interesting that this imitates the miracle of the
sun of the bogus apparition of Fatima. Vlasic saw the cross on the mountain
disappear and a white shape like Mary appear in its place (11). Vlasic was
anything but a reliable witness. The Lady says that mixed marriages are bad for
there can be difficulties and Christian education for the children will be
neglected (13). Why does she say this for the difficulties can be avoided with
maturity? She can’t give anybody good advice. The messages she gives instead are
often vague, always boring and it is undeniable any eleven year old could make
them up. The banality of the messages is why many Catholics cannot believe that
this is the mother of God.
And they are right.
BOOKS CONSULTED
“I BEG YOU: LISTEN TO MY MESSAGES AND LIVE THEM,” Padraic Dunne, published
privately, Drogheda, County Louth, 1992
BIBLICAL EXEGESIS AND CHURCH DOCTRINE, Raymond E Brown, Paulist Press, New York,
1985
LOOKING FOR A MIRACLE, Joe Nickell, Prometheus Books, New York, 1993
MEDJUGORJE, David Baldwin, Catholic Truth Society, London, 2002
MEDJUGORJE HERALD, Vol 13, No 2, Feb 1999, Galway, Ireland
MEDJUGORJE, A TIME FOR TRUTH AND A TIME FOR ACTION, Denis Nolan
MEDJUGORJE, FACTS DOCUMENTS THEOLOGY, Fr Michael O Carroll, Veritas, Dublin,
1986
OUR LADY QUEEN OF PEACE, Tomislav Vlasic OFM, published by Peter Batty, East
Sussex, 1984
POWERS OF DARKNESS, POWERS OF LIGHT, John Cornwell, Penguin, London, 1992
QUEEN OF PEACE (Newspaper), Fall, 1995, Pittsburgh Center for Peace
SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL STUDIES ON THE APPARITIONS AT MEDJUGORJE Rene Laurentin
and Henri Joyeux, Veritas, Dublin, 1987.
ST JOHN’S BULLETIN, Medjugorje by Br Michael of the Holy Trinity, Society of St
Pius X, October-December 1992, no 32, Dublin
THE APPARITIONS OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY TODAY, Rene Laurentin, Veritas,
Dublin 1990
THE HIDDEN SIDE OF MEDJUGORJE, Fr Ivo Sivric, Ed. Psilog, Saint Francios Du Lac,
Quebec, 1989.
THE THUNDER OF JUSTICE, Ted and Maureen Flynn, MAXCOL, Vancouver, 1993
UNDERSTANDING MEDJUGORJE, HEAVENLY VISIONS OR RELIGIOUS ILLUSION? Donal Anthony
Foley, Theotokos Books, Nottingham, 2006
VISIONS OF THE CHILDREN, Janice T Connell, St Martin’s Press, New York, 1992
WORDS FROM HEAVEN, Anonymous, Caritas of Birmingham, Sterrett, Alabama, 1996
The following books are available from Militia Immaculatae Trust, 35 New Bond
Street, Leicester.
CRITERIA FOR DISCERNING APPARITIONS REGARDING THE EVENTS OF MEDJUGORJE by
Monsignor Peric.
MEDJUGORJE – AFTER FIFTEEN YEARS, Michael Davies, Remnant Press, Minnesota,
1998.
MEDJUGORJE THE UNTOLD STORY, E Michael Jones Fidelity Press, 206 Marquette Ave,
South Bend Indiana 46617, 1998.
MEDJUGORJE, Bishop Zanic, Mostar, 1990.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND MEDJUGORJE by Michael Mazza.
THE MEDJUGORJE DECEPTION, E Michael Jones, Fidelity Press, Indiana, 1998.
TWENTY QUESTIONS ABOUT MEDJUGORJE, Kevin Orlin Johnson, Ph.D. Pangaeus Press,
Dallas, 1999.
THE WEB
CHRISTIAN REFUTATION OF MEDJUGORJE
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0079a.html
CRITIQUE: POEM OF THE MAN-GOD
http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/critique.htm
SCIENTIFIC STUDIES DONE ON THE VISIONARIES OF MEDJUGORJE – 1998 SCIENTIFIC STUDY
ON THE VISIONARIES
www.childrenofmedjugorje.com/medj/research.htm
THE WANDERER by Paul Likoudis, 1998
www.unitypublishing.com/wanderer.html
Unity Publishing has pictures allegedly proving that the messages from Mary are
being made up by the priests and that the visions are hoaxes. Ivan was snapped
acting as if he was guarding the door while the priest and a visionary were
inventing the message. This is however is a pro-Catholic site.
AN OVERVIEW OF THE MEDICAL AND SCIENTIFIC TESTING OF VISIONARY NANCY FOWLER
CONYERS GEORGIA
http://members.aol.com/bbu84/biblicalstupidity/science.htm#10
DISCERNMENT AND SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF VISIONARIES FROM THE MEDJUGORJE STAR
http://members.aol.com/bbu84/biblicalstupidity/study.htm#11
Videos
VISIONS ON DEMAND, Network 5 International, 1997
DIVINE OR DECEIVED? COVER-UP, Network 5 International, 1998
Contact:
Network 5 International
PO Box 51
Liverpool
L69 3EE
UNDERSTANDING MEDJUGORJE, HEAVENLY VISIONS OR RELIGIOUS ILLUSION? Donal Anthony
Foley, Theotokos Books, Nottingham, 2006
To Order Understanding Medjugorje visit http://www.theotokos.org.uk or write to
Theotokos Books, PO Box, 8570, Nottingham, England
THE WEB
The Most Dangerous False Apparition in the World
www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/Garabandal2.html
False Visions Which Followed Knock
www.theotokos.org.uk
Critique: “Poem of the Man-God” Medugorje’s Gospel by Brother James,
http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/critique.htm
Saints Preserve Us!
www.forteantimes.com/articles/159_saintspreserved.shtml
PRIVATE REVELATION: UNRAVELLING MEDJUGORJE by Carey Winters
www.geocities.com/militantis/medjugorje.html
This excellent site outlines the errors of famous Catholic visionaries such as
Anne Catherine Emmerich and Marie de Agreda which they said their visions told
them. But it puts these errors down to the visionaries misunderstanding. This
excuse itself accuses God of being slack! It points out that when Satan speaks,
in the experience of the Church, he states 99% of the truth that God has
revealed and 1 % untruth because every little error helps his cause. In the
Church’s experience, that is the way it seems to be which means Carey and the
Church should not be accepting the visions of Emmerich and Agreda. The former
stated that there was a terrestrial paradise near Tibet and the pseudo-Dionysus
writings are authentic though they are universally recognised as heretical
forgeries advocating a Hindu piety. Thus she fell into heresy. Her miracles
defended those errors. Agreda insisted that all must believe her writings which
in Church doctrine can only be said of sacred scripture and the infallible
dogmas of the Church. Nostradamus claimed that his revelations were given to him
by the creator God. Like Agreda he claimed to be the producer of new scripture
and was a heretic. The site examines the proof that the apparitions of the Queen
of Peace in Medjugorje are not from God at all.