"YOU CANNOT DERIVE AN OUGHT FROM AN IS" or can you?

FOREWORD - The famous philosopher David Hume attacked what is known as the naturalistic fallacy.  The fallacy is anything that forgets that we cannot get a moral ought from an is.  The fact that everybody cheats in exams does not logically lead to the suggestion that it is morally right for everybody does it.  The fact that nobody cheats in exams and thinks cheating is immoral or evil does not lead to the suggestion that honesty is morally right either.

His enemies in the pulpit seem to agree with him.  They usually argue that even if nature has wired many to commit adultery and cheat on their partners and sow their wild oats it is stupid to argue that is enough to make it all right morally.  In other words if nature equips males to father child after child with partner after partner that does not mean it is moral to do so. You must not lie on your tax returns even if everybody else does it. What they do has nothing to do with what you should do or what anybody should do.

You may jump in here with, "Or immoral either". 

What if it is not about morality?  What if it is neutral?  What if it is as immoral as it is moral?  What if it is ethically complicated?

Hume says it is none of these for these all assume that you can get an ought and an ought-not and his point is that an is has not the slightest thing to do with morals AT ALL.  You get no moral, no immoral and no mixture at all for the is is about itself and not these things.

You cannot connect facts and values logically or otherwise.

 

 

And what does a moral ought mean anyway?

It means that something is wrong in itself and something is right in itself.  A God may claim the authority to command that you must help people but he can't have it if the action is wrong or right anyway.

It means you should be punished for doing negative things and rewarded for doing constructive things.

A moral ought is a paradox - you end up basing it on an authority that is not there and yet you argue the thing is just right or wrong and that is that.

 If we are naturally only meat-eaters that does not prove that eating meat is the a loving and just ie moral thing.  If you make your own ought you are assuming an ought.  An assumption has no authority to declare something moral.  So if you see an animal tortured to provide food for you, you perceive what is being done to the animal . You do not really perceive the badness of this though you think you do.  Your interpretation is that it is bad.  But your interpretation has nothing to do with making it bad or good or neutral.  It is not about you or what you think.  You cannot get a should from a could.  That is all Hume is saying.

A lot of discussion has taken place for people want to get from an is to an ought.

We can have oughts yes but we cannot get them from things that have nothing to do with morality.  Nature makes us kind.  Fact.  But that does not mean we ought to be kind.  Unfeeling nature may make us kind but nature cannot make us ought to be kind.  It does not care.  Nobody likes these truths for they mean that morality is made by us and comes from our preferences and the way we are. It amounts to saying the oughts are human constructs.

THE ARGUMENT IN DEPTH 

The argument:  If people have values that they consider to be moral, that does not mean they should have them. An example, just because somebody is kind and great good results it does not mean they ought to be kind. An is does not give rise to an ought.  In other words, a descriptive is not a prescriptive.
 
The reply: It depends on what an ought means. Some think an ought is simply responding to a duty set up by God or some person. Others see ought as a way of saying, "Do this action for it is attractive and intends wellbeing."
 
The argument needs translation. “Kindness is valuable. It’s a moral value. You cannot argue that you should or ought to be kind because it is valuable. An is does not an imply an ought.” The argument looks less convincing now. Suppose an ought exists. Then the ought is an is. If an is does not imply an ought the fact remains that it does in some cases. It depends. A tree is dying but that does not mean you ought to try and save it. The is does not give you an ought here. But if the tree seems to be the only source of medicine in its bark it is different. An is then becomes an ought.
 
If something is valuable then it is a fact that it is valuable and important. When you see the value in something and the value is really there then the human heart and human thinking power and the human will must be valuable too. Why? One benefit of value being a fact is how it demands confidence in human ability to grasp truth sufficiently. If human nature can value kindness or justice it must be valuable itself. Some say that another way to say this is to say that human nature has free agency and is more important and better than anything different and thus the good person will develop into the best a human can be and not harm her or his nature. The conclusion is that with values such as justice and love the values are facts and oughts both. Instead of trying to get an ought from an is you recognise that the ought and the is is one and the same.
 
If you cannot get an ought from an is then what? Morality is just subjective. If you cannot get an ought from an is then you cannot pass the buck. You cannot say there is a God who gets an ought from an is. If an ought and an is are two separate things and unrelated then God cannot help. And then you get back to where you started because you are the one saying you judge that God has got an ought from an is. It is back to you deciding that an ought can be got from an is after all!

It appears that asking the very question, "Can you get an ought from an is?" shows you don’t understand that something that ought to be done or valued means it is a fact that it ought to be done or valued. If something is important then it is a fact that it is important. If something is needed then it is a fact that it is needed. If something is to be valued then it is a fact that it must be valued.

Matter is neutral or neither good or evil in itself which is why you cannot get an ought from an is.
There are different kinds of ought or should.
 
-Prudential for example you must give your job application to Anne to have the best chance of getting the job
 
-Probabilistic for example it will rain somewhere in the world tomorrow
 
-Moral for example you must not walk on by and leave your neighbour to die if she has a terrible accident.
 
If you want a moral ought and cannot get one you paradoxically do get one. You have to choose the other two. You have to make do. Morality is based on not asking the impossible.
 
Thus we have absolute proof that thinking leads to proof that moral principles are irrevocable and real and true. It is not God that validates morality it is truth and even a God cannot turn the truth into non-truth.
 
Ought implies, "You must do this" and "You must suffer if you do not." It shows a desire to force.
 
All the oughts we have seen tell us what we ought to think.
 
Morality

The Utilitarian view is that all that matters is the greatest wellbeing of the greatest number.  We will leave aside the fact that this is not really an ethic for it permits if possible, the murder of an innocent person if it makes everybody else better off.

Let us look at YOU CAN'T WORK OUT AN OUGHT FROM AN IS from a Utilitarian perspective.  Nothing seems more obvious that if an is can give you an ought then the is in question is happiness.  As I said, seems is the operative word.
 
1 Tim is starving.
2 Starving lessens happiness.
3 Happiness is the goal of humans.
4 You have a spare salad roll.
5 Giving away the salad roll will not decrease your happiness but will increase his.
6 You ought to increase happiness.
7 Therefore, you ought to give Tim your spare salad roll.
 
1 Tim is starving. THIS IS AN IS OR A FACT.

2 Starving lessens happiness. BUT MAYBE FOR SOME REASON IT WILL ACTUALLY IMPROVE THINGS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE IT IS GOOD THAT TIM STARVES FOR HE MIGHT NEVER FATHER THE CHILD THAT BECOMES THE TRIGGER FOR THE FINAL WORLD WAR - ARMAGEDDON!

3 Happiness is the goal of humans. HAPPINESS NOW IS WHAT MATTERS NOT A GOAL FOR THE GOAL IS IN THE FUTURE. THE TRULY BALANCED PERSON IS HAPPY TO BE HERE NOW AND DOES NOT HANKER AND PINE AFTER FUTURE HAPPINESS. IF IT HAPPENS IT HAPPENS BUT SHE IS HAPPY TO BE ALIVE NOW. AND IF SHE CAN'T BE HAPPY NOW, IT MAY INDICATE THAT SHE LACKS THE POWER TO BE HAPPY AND IS WASTING HER TIME IF SHE TRIES TO DO THINGS TO BRING ABOUT THE DAY WHEN SHE WILL FINALLY BE HAPPY.

4 You have a spare salad roll.

5 Giving away the salad roll will not decrease your happiness but will increase his. GIVING AWAY THE SALAD ROLL CHANGES THE COURSE OF YOUR LIFE FOREVER. IT MAY MAKE IT WORSE THROUGH ITS SUBTLE RIPPLE EFFECT. YOU CAN'T SEE THE FUTURE SO YOU CAN'T SEE IF IT REALLY WILL MAKE YOU NO LESS HAPPY.

6 You ought to increase happiness *. IS TIM HAPPY MAINLY BECAUSE OR JUST BECAUSE YOU GAVE HIM THE ROLL OR BECAUSE YOU REACHED OUT TO HIM IN KINDNESS? IF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE ROLL, THEN IT FOLLOWS THAT MONEY REALLY DOES BUY HAPPINESS! IF HE IS THAT MATERIALISTIC THEN YOU CANNOT HELP HIM BECOME HAPPY!

7 Therefore, you ought to give Tim your spare salad roll. MAKING HIM HAPPY IS WHAT IS DECLARED IMPORTANT NOT FEEDING HIM. THIS OUGHT HERE IS TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE. TO TEACH THAT FEEDING THE STARVING IS NOT GOOD IN ITSELF BUT MAKING THEM HAPPY IS IS TO FORGE A LUDICROUS MORALITY THAT WILL SOON GIVE WAY TO HYPOCRISY AND CYNICISM.
 
*Note: David Hume denied that the fact that you can be happy means you ought to try to be. Thus Hume would not agree with point 6. Point 6 is to be linked with point 3. It says happiness is the goal of humans.

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