WHAT MAKES THREE PERSONS ABLE TO BE GOD AS IN ONE BEING?
The Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity says that there is one God and that
God is three persons. The persons are not three Gods but one God. God is not
three persons in one person but three persons in one being. The persons are God
the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God the Son became a man. Jesus
Christ was God the Son.
PERSONS MADE FROM LOVE
The Christians teach the absolutely insane idea that people can be made out of,
as in from, love. This is madder than saying babies are made of the air you
breath out!
Swinburne in Was Jesus God? (Oxford University Press, Oxford, 2008) says that if
God was one person and he was not making others exist to interact with him and
love him he would be bad (page 28). So Swinburne says that God must be three
persons. He says that the Father needs an equal to love and so he causes there
to be a person in God, the Son, an equal for him to love (page 28). This is
snobbish. It is not true that a person needs to be your equal in order for you
to love them. Swinburne says that if there was only the Father and the Son in
God this would be selfish. They would be like a husband and wife who adored and
served one another but bothered about no one else (page 29). So the Father and
the Son cause the Holy Spirit. The thought is that if the Father really loves
the Son he will have a third person to love the Son (page 30).
This logic is superficial.
They teach that Father exists of himself and his love for himself is the Son and
the Holy Spirit is the mutual love of the Father and the Son. It is said that
the Holy Spirit is necessary to complete God. If the Father and the Son did not
love one another then God would be imperfect. But the Father in loving himself
loves the Son and since the Son is the love of the Father by loving himself he
loves the Father. The Holy Spirit is superfluous. He is described as the mutual
love of the Father and the Son as if he were a glue to bind them together to
make them one God. God should not need glue!
According to the Eastern Church, the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the
Father and the Son but proceeds from the Father alone through the Son. The Holy
Spirit is the love of the Father for the Son but not the love of the Son for the
Father. When the love of the Father for the Son is a person and the love of the
Son for the Father is not then we have a contradiction. We have disunity in God.
If the Father’s love for Son becomes a person then the same must be true of the
love of the Son for the Father. That makes four persons in God. The love of the
Father for this new person and the love of the son for him make two more
persons. And on and on it goes until we find an infinity of persons in God. The
Trinity is incoherent. If God is not just one person then there is no limit to
the number of persons he is. The Trinity doctrine is an insult to all these
people.
The Western Church teaches that the Holy Spirit is the mutual love of the Father
and the Son conveniently forgetting that the love of the Son for the Father is
not the love of the Father for the Son. If love has to become a person then
there are four persons here. And the love of the Father for one of these persons
becomes another person and it goes on and on into a grotesque eternity of one
God in an infinity of persons. We would have to be persons in God as well as
infinite for infinite means all without limit.
If the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son then he is the Son of
God the Father and the Son of the Son and also the Grandson of the Father. How
silly it all gets.
Only a fool would agree with the Church that the Father’s love of himself
becomes the Son. Who does the Son’s self-love become? Who does the Holy Spirit’s
self-love become?
To assert that the Father causes the Son and then that the being of God cannot
be caused is to contradict oneself.
We are told that if God were not more than one person then he could not be a
real and true person because he has nobody to love. He would be an impersonal
force or he would be unfulfilled and unhappy and need to make people to love. He
would not be God or supreme when he needs something outside himself. But if a
person who is doing their homework and not thinking about love is a person then
God can be a person too if he is Unitarian, or one person. Love is an act of
will. Therefore you can love if there is nobody to love for you would love and
are loving the best you can. This does not imply that you are incomplete until
you love.
If there are relationships in God then the Father is having a relationship with
the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Son is having a relationship with the Father
and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is having a relationship with the Father
and the Son. This is utter nonsense for how could there be a relationship when
they think the same thing and agree all the time? They all know the same things
and anything one does all does. To say God is relationships is as absurd as
saying that God is three persons.
Suppose the argument is right that God needs to be more than one person. Well,
the fact that he can't be three people in one God is sure proof that the God
idea is entirely nonsensical and incoherent. It contradicts itself.
Also, when Christians believe that it is possible for three persons to be one
being then how do they know that a unipersonal God can’t be happy? If the Bible
said God was unipersonal they would be saying his happiness was a mystery. The
God of the Torah never calls himself a spirit or Trinity but just stresses that
he made all things and knows what is right and is fair and just and has spoken
through prophets. In Deuteronomy 13 he warns against those who make prophecies
that come true but who try to lead the people to other Gods. One way to lead
such people to other Gods is by changing the teachings about the God that does
exist to turn him into another God. Thus the Torah forbids the concept of the
Trinity and God becoming man for these were later doctrines.
It is hard to see how Christians can refer to God as he when they mean they!
They only use he because the entire Bible says he. Jesus said that God was daddy
not daddies.
God can't have any needs for he is perfect and almighty. Is it really right to
love for the sake of loving? Should there not be a need for the love? If God the
Son loves God the Father then he is giving him love he doesn't need. No decent
being asks for love that he doesn't need unless he asks it for the loving one's
sake. The love would bother him for love implies sacrifice according to
Christian doctrine. The Son being God doesn't need to love him when God the
Father doesn't need this love. God the Son is loving himself not the Father if
he loves the Father not for the Father's sake but his. The love in the Trinity
is a fake hypocritical love. It is not real love.
As you will see from GOD A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED (Keith Ward, OneWorld,
Oxford, 2003, page 52), God, in Christian philosophy is utterly simple. The book
says this means that God is not composite. The three persons of the Trinity are
not parts of God that are put together to make God. God is not divisable. We
cannot tell apart different elements in the being we call God. So we don't
really know what we mean when we speak of God being three in one. So God
revealing the Trinity means that God revealed words that mean nothing to us.
They are just words. A God like that is a trickster. It is beneath him.
If it is so great for God to be more than one person then why is he just three?
Why is he just three persons having relationships together? Why can't he be an
infinity of persons? It is more perfect for there to be an infinity of persons
in existence and therefore an infinity of relationships? If God is relationships
then the trinity is false in the sense that a perfect God cannot be just three
persons. The trinity then is the blasphemous denial of the perfection of God
though it pays lip service to that perfection.
The trinity doctrine says God is one being. But he is also three persons. It is
the being that is God thus the being matters more than the persons. The persons
then are really idols.
It is a strange thing to say there are three persons who
love each other so much they are one being God. That implies God should be
three God's but thanks to love the three persons are one. That does not
sound very monotheistic at all.
The trinity doctrine is fraught with problems and outright nonsense.