ZERO, THAT WORD SUMS UP THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND SCIENCE
When religionists say that faith and science can agree and are in harmony why are those religionists nearly all Christians? What gives them the right to implicitly deny that maybe Hinduism fits science better? When they speak for their own religion they by default speak against others. They speak for others in reverse as it were.
Why do people not argue that there is a link between their political party or
view of politics and science? Or that their bingo group has a relationship with
science? Mainstream religions claim to be good for science and that science is
good for them. This comes from a sense that science is a threat to faith and
they want to counteract anybody who might realise that. And what gives religion
the right to assert that science should take it seriously enough to regard it
differently from a jogging club? If science is unbiased it cannot elevate
religion more than any other grouping.
Christianity's hyper-core doctrine is that God called all things into existence
from nothing. The doctrine is thus so important and so sacred that anything that
does not base itself on it is thus by definition anti-God. Science cannot base
itself on the doctrine and admits that if it could test it and find it cannot be
true it would reject it. The alleged good relationship between science and
Christian faith is a facade.
Science has debunked creation out of nothing. “There is no creation ex nihilo.
As Sean Carroll said: The axis for time goes from the top to the bottom and it
goes forever. The only sense in which this universe is not eternal is that there
is a moment in the middle where entropy is lowest – that has nothing to do with
the kind of beginning you would need to give God room to work.” (Christianity in
the Light of Science).
Some say that scientists cannot show how creation came to be. [The
religious say that so now they are speaking for science and they are not
scientists? So much for science and faith being friends!]
For some, there was always something there.
For some, the universe popped into existence from nothing and it was spontaneous
and had nothing to do with God.
For others, a time warp might explain how the universe started itself.
For others, an infinite intelligence, perhaps a God, made the universe from
nothing.
Many prefer to say we cannot know. [Buddha said that.]
Christians argue that all these options fail to take us to science. They take us
outside of its expertise. So they say then that any atheistic theory about the
origin of all is just as faith-based as a religious one. But they won't
tell you how the suggestion that there was always something there sounds like it
needs the least faith. If you are forced to believe or have faith when
proof is better then the next best thing is to choose whatever belief has the
least mysteries. To say we cannot know defeats how science never assumes
that and keeps trying. That religion puts it on the menu is disgraceful.
It does not follow that if both science and religion are based on belief or faith that they are both equally based. If science simply believes or assumes that there is no magic and religion assumes there is the magic of something coming from nothing then science is not as much faith as religion is. Religion cannot say faith in creation and faith in science are separate because once you say things are created you are saying they are not brute facts. But science treats them as if they are for it cannot detect any power bringing them into existence and keeping them there.
The excellent book from 2014, Christianity is Not Great! fills us in on the
lies Christians tell about how you don't have to flush science down the toilet
to become a true Christian.
It points out that Robert Ingersoll noted that the Bible and the faith have not
given us one useful fact to help us technologically or medically or any other
way. Thus the person of religious faith is not intrinsically better than the
secularist who through science and wisdom helps us to progress materially and in
terms of our health. Faith in religion is not better than faith in secularism.
Even if faith in secularism seems barren and difficult it is what you owe the
best things in your life to at the end of the day.
Richard Carrier in the book makes the extremely significant point that
Christianity did nothing to encourage science and democracy in its first
millennium. This attitude held the world back. Christianity was to blame
for the Dark Ages. It is to blame for our loved ones dying young for
medical science has been set back.
Science and religious values do not have to agree. They often oppose each other.
Religion assumes there is no point in looking to live to 500. Science says there
is. Religion does not like three parent babies but science does. Religion
threatens what is best for us. If it does good for us it makes sure it does not
do what is best for us!
Has science come about because people believed a smart intelligent and
rational God made all things and so to honour him we have to learn and research
and engage in science? No - even believers usually keep religious motivations
out of their work or are too unconvinced to care about God. And if God alone
matters and you want to find him through research and hard work your avenue
would be theology not science. And if you did look at science it would not be
important in comparison to theology.
Religion says, "Science and religion seek truth in different ways. That is why
they are not mutually exclusive." That is a lie. Two things can look for truth
in different ways and be mutually exclusive. And as science claims to be always
seeking truth it has to.
Another reason it is a lie, is that science cannot tell you that you must find a
religious way of knowing for that requires evidence and religion has no use for
evidence. If you are doing forensic tests to see if X committed murder and the
tests show X might have done it that is evidence that you need evidence of a
different kind. You may need to look for CCTV footage. The evidence tells you to
look for different evidence but not just any evidence. Evidence from the
astrology chart is irrelevant. Evidence from eyewitnesses will not even be an
avenue if the village where X murdered is full of drug addicts. It depends. Any
evidence then must stand on scientific evidence. If there are other ways of
knowing apart from science, science will give evidence that you need to find
other ways to know even if it does not tell you exactly what those ways are. It
is enough if science tells you what those ways are not. If something else is a
way of knowing there will be evidence.
Another reason it is a lie is that when religion says it agrees with science it
means some science not all. The American Psychological Association says
homosexuality is natural which is against Church teaching. That is one example.
[How an early baby is not a person with a right to life is another. ] Religion
is against much of the science of psychology.
Psychological testing and studies have found that people tend to dehumanise
those who do not agree with them. If you are in a grouping that is or thinks it
is socially dominant and influential you will look at other groups of people as
being less people than the people in your group. Ktiely and his researchers used
a scale to measure how one group dehumanises others groups (Bruneau & Kteily,
2017). The results were alarming for example Israelis virtually rated
Palestinians as being almost animals. It is no wonder then those who are
pro-Trump tend to care less if something awful and destructive happens to Obama
supporters and vice versa. Haslam and Stratemeyer (2016) determined that this
denial of the humanity of others in a different group is caused by how different
groups emotionally respond differently to different situations. The Irish in the
past hated the British partly for allowing abortion or tolerating it instead of
being enraged. This hate was enough on its own but you see the point: people
prefer those who have the same feelings as themselves about most things as this
makes their social interaction easier.
Religion undermines the good work psychologists could do to make society more open and inclusive and accepting. It does that merely by NOT being based on psychology. It does that by ministering to people and blocking or delaying their sense that they need to go to a psychologist. If people are inclined to see those who contradict them as less than them or less than human then religion should not be creating extra grounds for disagreement and using guesses and un- evidenced doctrines and rituals. That only makes the problem worse. There is enough to disagree about without that nonsense. If you believe in God but say you don't have a religion then you are a one-person religion so you are still part of the problem. You think you and God are running a religion, the religion of you.
Religion is about God primarily or only God. Suppose that God is real
and religion really is connecting to him and pleasing him. Then it follows
that science should be defined as, "Investigating and experimenting and testing
to see how God has set the universe up." Science in that view is the study of
how God makes nature function. Science is not about how nature works but about
how God makes nature work. The basic conflict between science and religion is
about how science is defined. Science leaves God out and religion puts him in.
Science wants to avoid a God bias and religion wants it in for it says that God
is about that which is desirable and that you would need or want to believe in.
Even if religion uses science, it is therefore still the enemy of science.
Science will not assume anything to be true without evidence so involving God is
anti-scientific.
Religion stresses that we cannot understand God or his ways for he is so much
bigger than anything human and is the origin of all. Secularists and
atheists are accused of believing only what they understand. Understanding isn’t
everything. But beliefs you understand ought to be valued more than ones you do
not. Thus science comes before anything else including God - the doctrine that
God comes first is an insult to that principle and to the sacrifices people make
for it.
Religion says, "Science says that all questions can be answered by science. But
many questions are not answered." If that is true, if science claims to have all
the answers even religious ones then it is a rival to religion. Science
says in principle the questions can be but that does not mean in practice it
always can be done. Science does not answer all questions but says it would if
it were practical. So if science does not proclaim God then clearly it
denies the importance of God. It as good as says God does not exist. Silence in
that case is rejection.
Science bans you from saying what is in somebody else's mind. Religion
routinely does that with God. God supposedly sent Jesus and became Jesus.
He supposedly decided to choose Moses and inspired the Bible. So if
science does not tell you everything that is an argument against involving God
and faith not an argument for it.
Another reason it is a lie because all sensible people see science as a tool and
the best tool we have for finding truth and working for progress. Christians
object that it is not the only tool. Nobody says it is. But Christians
cannot see science as the best tool we have when they hold that the truths that
really matter are revealed by God in the Bible. Increasingly there are
those who say they are Christian but who claim to be inspired to speak for God.
So instead of Prophet Moses or Isaiah you have prophet Kirsty or Dylan.
This is insane. Do they really think they are equal to Moses? What
use is that for who else is going to take them seriously but themselves?
Science is based on valuing knowledge and testing as good. Christians say that
science then is based on faith for it just assumes that knowledge and testing
are good and cannot do experiments to prove they are good. That claim is a lie.
If you say that knowledge and testing are bad then you are saying it is good in
the sense of being true that they are bad. So you just see knowledge and testing
as good and there is no assuming involved. Science would test even if God
told them to stop so science in that sense is godless.
We conclude that rather than attracting each other, science and religion repel each other. We now see why religion is so superficial and defensive when it says that they attract each other.